Amazing Spider-Man #74

One of my favorite Spider-Man issues in recent memory. You get a long-promised ending and a brand-new beginning and best of all, a lot of questions answered. Read Full Review

Each of the artists deliver some great visual moments in the issue. The action is visually dynamic and the characters moments are perfectly captured. Read Full Review

Amazing Spider-Man #875 features a collection of all-star artists celebrating the web-slinger and marks the end of Nick Spencer's run on the title. Spencer's run had its ups and downs, but overall I feel comfortable placing him in the upper echelon of Spidey writers with J.M. DeMatteis and J. Michael Straczynski. And hopefully, the upcoming "Beyond" era will continue to deliver great Spidey stories as Ben Reilly once again takes up the mantle. Read Full Review

Amazing Spider-Man #74 brings the story between Spider-Man and Kindred to a close. The fights between them are brutal with the art delivering a visceral experience for Spider-Man. The comic delivers answers about Kindred and ties in the three narrative threads of Norman, Harry & Carlie, and MJ back into the main plot. Now, this is not the ending that many fans were hoping for and will undoubtedly disappoint many, especially the side-story with Doctor Strange and Mephisto. Despite all of that, Nick Spencer does leave Spider-Man in a more positive place than he found him in. Read Full Review

Amazing Spider-Man#74 is a microcosm of one of this series' biggest problems: how long and drawn out it has all felt. Spencer's final issue does use that length to make the story feel big, and while it may not satisfy many, you can't say it ever shied away from what it wants to be. If you view this as an overly dramatic stage play it can be fun on some level, but for many, the best part about this issue is that the groan-inducing Kindred story is finally put to rest. Read Full Review

A convoluted back-and-forth brings fans to a so-so ending that brings a thin conclusion to Peter's suffering at Kindred's hands. Read Full Review

When all was said and done Amazing Spider-Man #74 accomplishes its job of wrapping up Nick Spencer's Kindred Saga that dominated his run on this series. To get to this ending Spencer and co-writer Christos Gage highlighted how convoluted this entire saga has been with the Osborn Family at the center of it. The convoluted nature of the Kindred Saga could've been wrapped up in a more satisfying fashion if it did not feel like we took the longest, most unnecessary road possible to get to this ending. But now that it is over we can just look towards a new future for the Spider-Man franchise. Read Full Review

"The Amazing Spider-Man" #74 is a fittingly awful conclusion to a Spider-Man run that rarely understood what made the character so iconic. Read Full Review

Psycamorean

Sep 29, 2021

I honestly expected the reaction to this issue to actually be worse than it is. I didn't think OMD was getting undone, but now it's canon enough that MJ and Peter will stay together, which is all I wanted. Get rid of the half-assed romance subplots. Let Peter grow. I think this issue is a good example of reader assumption, and writer implication. So first, reader assumption. Obviously, everyone thought this run was going to undo, or effectively undo, One More Day. We didn't get that. I see a lot of angry comments about Kindred's plan changing, or their reasoning changing, and that's not the case. We just assumed, as readers, that when Kindred was talking about Peter's and Norman's sins, they were talking about Peter making a deal with Me phisto and Norman being a terrible father. In actually, it was Gabriel and Sarah hating Norman for rejecting them and killing their mother, and Peter for not taking what they deemed his responsibility in Gwen's death. This explains why Kindred was mad about Peter reconciling with his other love interests like Black Cat, or why they said they'd protect MJ from him, and why it would be his fault when she did die. Look, I know Kindred's narration gets a lot of shit, but if you actually read it in light of these current issues' revelations, it actually makes perfect sense. The reader assumption was this was all about One More Day, and that was pulled out from under us last minute by editorial. The reality is it was just as much about Sins Past as it was about One More Day, if not more so. Next, writer implication. This is the part where I give Nick Spencer (and the editors) some shit too. Clearly, they failed in some part to firmly establish a twist that is satisfying instead of annoying. I personally don't mind the Sins Past twist, or really, any of the retcons this run has facilitated, but plenty of people do. And I can't blame the readers solely for what they assumed, because the writer (and editors) certainly implied things. Nick Spencer knew he was opening pandora's box here, and the editors did too. You don't do that without a plan that is followed through on entirely. You play with fire, you are almost certainly getting burned. And that's why the fan response is so mixed. I don't know if Nick Spencer planned on leaving at this point, if editorial forced him off, or if he suddenly left. From the backup letter by Nick Lowe, the next run had its big summit in December 2020, and presumably didn't just manifest then, so obviously, it was planned to end here for a while. The whole point of this is if you imply certain things in your work, you need to address it in a satisfactory way, and a sudden mad dash for the end does not make that happen. I don't know what or why the run just suddenly kicked into overdrive so fast that Nick Spencer had to get co-writers on board just to get it done. That's not normal and wouldn't normally be planned, but again, it must have been because Beyond has been in the works for what's probably over a year now. I'm sure we'll hear all about it in 10 or 20 years. So, is this issue a satisfying conclusion to the run as a whole? Yes, I believe so. The first issue of the run said this was about Peter and MJ, and despite many attempts at making it not about that, in the end, that's what the entire thing has been about. They're able to beat back the literal devil with their love, save their friend from torment, and Peter overcame the overbearing guilt that sort of haunts this run, if you go back and re-read it. And their child is going to literally defeat the devil in the future. I know there's a lot of doubt about that tease, and the future of MJ and Peter, but we've seen from the Beyond era that they're sticking together. I don't see Marvel going back on that, because they've made such a big deal about it, he's with (a version of) MJ in the movies, and like this run or not, it sold much better than Dan Slott's run. It always hovered at the edge or just inside the top 10. I get that people wanted more closure on the other subplots this run had, but... to be honest, we got that with the other arcs. We don't need to see Randy and Beetle living together, we don't need to see JJJ angry about Spider-Man still, Teresa doesn't need a page where she looks at herself in the mirror and is confident about it. We got the ending to those things back in other arcs. This issue was about Mephisto, Peter, Harry, Norman and MJ, with Kindred as pawns. I said it in one of my other reviews, but this run seemed damned if it did and damned if it didn't with a lot of things. Fans were complaining about the filler stories, and then they were complaining about the Kindred stuff, and then we don't get absolute closure on the once deemed filler stories, and people are still mad. I don't know what to do here, honestly. The pandora's box was opened, and it won't be closed. I don't think this is a bad run, not at all, and I'm sure it reads much better in trade. In fact, I actually bought the entire thing in trade, and I wanted to do an in-depth review of the entire run where I really delve into it. I wanted to do that much earlier on, and thank god I didn't. Especially when I just couldn't figure out what Life Theft/Pursuit being referenced could possibly mean. I'll get to that eventually though. Oh and speaking of, I guess a subtle retcon that may not fully be realized by people is that Harry technically didn't do the whole Life Theft thing. That was a Mephisto-Harry now. Which btw, makes plenty of sense, Harry was not such a schemer in life. Would I recommend this run to people? Yeah. I think it's good. I might actually get them to sit out the Kindred centric arcs though. It requires a lot of pre-reading, but you know what, one of my friends is reading this run so I guess I'll see how someone who hasn't read any of the stories... elaborated on here feels. She's desperately behind though, so... it'll be a while. I'm excited for the Beyond era, if only for those covers. There's such a nostalgic feeling to them. But maybe that's just because the first Spider-Man comic I ever bought was Sensational Spider-Man #1. It wasn't the first one I had read, but it certainly holds a special place in my heart. I'm taking a half a point off for that Uncle Ben story, it just wasn't very good. I appreciate the attempt. The history two-page spread was fun, and the Beyond story is probably confusing to a bunch of people. I will say, I would've rather had the entire issue just be Nick Spencer's finale. 20 or so more pages could've been used to monologue about sins. more

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Afre - Sep 30, 2021

If Kindred makes sense to you and understood it, I gotta ask. So was Kindred Harry or the Stacy twins? Because this issue seems to retcon the last issue's reveal. And I'm so confused which one that was. Was it Harry until the point Mephisto put his soul to gample with Strange and then Stacy Twins got control of the bodies? Or was it the Stacy Twins the whole time? Or was Harry still controlling them during the final battle?

Afre - Sep 30, 2021

Because, if they were the Stacy twins the whole time, what was the sin they wanted Peter to confess? What was the sin MJ did? What the hell did she ever do to twins? Or hell, what Peter did to them? Because Kindred (I presume Gabe) shouted "you did this to me" in #55. Because I just cannot believe all this was because of Gwen's death, that happened like 50 years ago.

Psycamorean - Sep 30, 2021

Kindred was the Stacy twins, being controlled by a version of Harry Osborn that was under the influence of Mephisto. So it was both. They wanted Peter to confess to his role in not taking responsibility for the deaths and harm he has caused, specifically Gwen's death. (Note: this is all from their warped perspective). Norman's sins were molding and using them, his "children" as weapons, and then rejecting them. MJ didn't have any sins, Kindred was always saying Peter would end up dooming her.

Psycamorean - Sep 30, 2021

The twins felt betrayed by Norman and Peter, since Norman used them and Peter abandoned and forgot about them, while they were dying and being tortured in hell. Of course, Peter didn't actually know about that, but again, they're being controlled by Harry Osborn under the influence of Mephisto, so they aren't getting to see Peter's side. This is why they want Peter to take responsibility for the harm he causes, because they see themselves as victims of the same cycle that killed their mother.

Afre - Sep 30, 2021

I'm still so confused. So was it Harry who spoke to Peter while using their body or the Stacy twins? So were the all three of them tortured in hell? Because what I understood in the dialogue was that it was the Stacy twins talking. Sara even says at one point "Gabe!" And didn't Kindred say to MJ in the last issue "difficult isn't it? Your sins staring back at you reminding you of everyone you let down. Time for you to face your sins." Kindred is clearly talking to MJ at that point about her sins

Afre - Sep 30, 2021

And in #55 MJ says, "he doesn't remember". Was she alluding he doesn't remember the Stacy twins? And like what was it that Peter did to Gabe? When he shouted "you did this to me?" Or was it Harry talking? I'm not trying to nitpick here, I'm genuinely so confused about this.

Psycamorean - Sep 30, 2021

Like I said, it's both. Mephisto was basically using Harry Osborn's soul to fuck with everyone, while using Gabriel and Sarah as vessels. All three of them were tortured in Hell, but Gabriel and Sarah were tortured to become stronger, while Harry was just a pawn. I forgot about the part where Kindred told MJ that she was facing her sins, but I'm guessing the change in attitude is due to MJ's play at sacrifice for Peter's sins during Last Remains.

Psycamorean - Sep 30, 2021

In #55, I don't think she's alluding to anything, I think she's just saying that whatever it is Kindred wants Peter to remember, he clearly doesn't. The Stacy twins are mad at Peter for forgetting them and leaving them to torment and death. Again, Peter didn't intentionally do this, this is just what happened to them because of Mephisto's larger plans. They blame him for it when he isn't actually at fault.

Psycamorean - Sep 30, 2021

Unlike Norman, who is definitely at fault for his role to play in all this. It literally wouldn't have happened if not for him. This is why Norman apologizes and tries to make up for his sins, whereas Peter realizes he doesn't deserve what Kindred was doing to him.

Afre - Sep 30, 2021

Okay. So what you are saying is that basically this is bunch of nonsense that was rewritten from the original plan and had no buildup at all. They only way I can make sense of this is that these aren't the same Sara and Gabe that we saw in Sins Past. Weren't they also cured of their rapid-age disease in that? Sara with Peter's blood and Gabe with Goblin Formula?

Psycamorean - Sep 30, 2021

I think it was the original plan. Everything Kindred said since day one fits with it being the Stacy Twins. I think maybe the plans were rushed, because it just looks that way based on the release schedule of the latter half of this run. But it wasn't rewritten, I don't know where you got that. That's actually really frustrating that you'd make a claim like that. And yeah, of course, this run is retconning Sins Past. The whole "Peter forgot them" thing is an explanation for their long absence.

Psycamorean - Sep 30, 2021

Like, I don't know how much more I can explain. If you'd rather complain about the book, do that elsewhere. I'm willing to answer your questions to the best of my ability, but not if you're just going to ignore what I said.

Afre - Sep 30, 2021

I mean it's hard to tell with this. I am genuinely so confused by this and that's where my frustration comes from. Because at some point, it does fit with the Stacy twins, and that there were always two Kindreds (Sara was the one who summoned Sin-Eater and visited Norman and Gabe was the one Peter face in Last Remains). But that doesn't make sense. Harry said in the last issue that Sarah is gone. But I don't think Harry would shout "Gabe" in the final fight or wonder if Gwen would've loved him??

Afre - Sep 30, 2021

And there are many other moments that don't add up if it were supposed to be the Stacy Twins originally. That's why I would claim that this is rewritten because Spencer is shown to be very precise in his planning and this doesn't feel like it. And when you say it makes perfect sense, I start to ask these questions because I would like someone to explain this to me.

Psycamorean - Sep 30, 2021

Like I said, it's both Harry's corrupted soul and the Twins. When Mephisto loses his game with Doctor Strange, when MJ gets Spider-Man out of the rubble, Harry's soul is freed. From then till the Kindreds die, it's just Sarah and Gabriel.

Psycamorean - Sep 30, 2021

Before that, they were under Harry/Mephisto's control. Sarah as the person MJ knew from Sins Past was gone, because she was never really a person.

Afre - Sep 30, 2021

And that Strange and Mephisto start talking abou Harry Osborns' soul suddenly, when Strange didn't mention it at all before and he was gambling on Peter's soul. All of this revelations and twists come so last-second, it's hard to get that this was all part of the plan.

Psycamorean - Sep 30, 2021

Peter and MJ were Dr. Strange's "champions," the Kindreds were Mephisto's "champions," with Harry Osborn as a pawn in the whole thing. He went to Mephisto to see what was wrong with Peter, and this issue says it all has to do with Mayday one day taking Mephisto down, and everything else is just a way to beat down Peter and MJ so that their child never actually does it.

Afre - Sep 30, 2021

And even when rereading this, their dialogue doesn't add up. During the fight, before Harry's soul is released, their dialogue is clearly Gabe and Sara. "Your favored son", "To ignore us! Pretend we don't exist!" And they talk a lot uf us and we. So that would imply it's Sarah and Gabe who are currently in control, not Harry.

Psycamorean - Sep 30, 2021

It retcons the reasoning for Mephisto getting involved with Peter Parker's life at all, including the deal with Norman, Harry's torment and Sins Past, based on a line from OMD where Mephisto tells Peter and MJ that their child will never be born.

Psycamorean - Sep 30, 2021

Kindred also calls BND Harry an imposter. It's clearly all three of them.

Afre - Sep 30, 2021

See that's it. There is no clear answer here. Last issue Harry says "Sarah is gone." And now she is still partly(?) in control of that body. But then why would Harry say "your favorite son will die too. at the hands of the children you abandoned" to Norman? Like what? In #74, it is implicated that twins are in control. If Kindred calls a clone imposter, it doesn't mean that's Harry talking. But that contradicts #73.

Afre - Sep 30, 2021

It doesn't make sense that both of them are in control at the same time. Harry's soul in Sarah's body. Because they both have clearly different motivations. Mephisto's dialogue implicated it's the twins whole time. At no point in #74 does he even allude that it's Harry who is Kindred. Even when Harry's soul isn't released yet.

Psycamorean - Sep 30, 2021

The answer is that it's all three of them. Think of it like this. There's Kindred, that is the bodies of Sarah and Gabriel, who is being controlled by a version of Harry Osborn, who thinks he's the mastermind, but in reality, he's just a pawn of Mephisto.

Psycamorean - Sep 30, 2021

BND Harry explains at some point in the issue, for Peter.

Afre - Sep 30, 2021

Okay. I understood that was the case in #73. But why on earth would Harry as Kindred talk like his Sarah and Gabriel? Why would he call himself "the favourite son who is killed by the children he forgot" if he is the one who created Sara and Gabe and knows that Norman isn't their father? And why would Mephisto tell to Strange that Kindred is Sara and Gabe who want to send Peter to hell? Why would Harry as Kindred shout to Peter "pretend we don't exist!" if he knows they don't?

Afre - Sep 30, 2021

And tell to Norman "not admitting you were our fahter while you molded us to be your weapons!" All talk in "us" and "we". All this dialogue from Kindreds clearly show that it's Sarah and Gabe talking the whole time, not Harry, who is supposedly "controlling their bodies".

Afre - Sep 30, 2021

And also, Kindred(s) kill Harry. If that is Harry in control of their bodies, why would he shout "you loved him so much? join him!" and show no emotion to Peter shouting "that was my best friend you just killed." Why would Harry shout to himself "Gabriel! Are you okay?"

Psycamorean - Sep 30, 2021

Think of it like multiple personalities, if that makes it easier.

Psycamorean - Sep 30, 2021

And Mephisto is telling Strange that because that's part of the game they're playing.

Afre - Sep 30, 2021

... what? You aren't serious are you?

Psycamorean - Sep 30, 2021

I don't know how to explain it to you better and I'm not willing to repeat myself in hoping you get it this time.

Afre - Sep 30, 2021

No, I just wanted to see how someone who says gets it tries to explain it. But even then, it doesn't make sense in any capacity and it doesn't fit to the story Spencer wrote. And you do know that you can still enjoy something if you don't get it? No need to claim "it makes perfect sense" to justify your rating?

Psycamorean - Sep 30, 2021

It does make sense. I feel like you are being intentionally obtuse here. Like, did you even read the issue? That's how bad this looks. I'm sorry if you're genuinely trying, but goddamn, I can't help you.

Psycamorean - Sep 30, 2021

I tried explaining it multiple times and I just get the same questions back, I don't know what to do next, design a chart with panels from the run explaining the entire thing in hopes that it will make sense to you this time?

Psycamorean - Sep 30, 2021

It's not worth the back and forth to convince you, but I tried. Maybe someone else can explain it better than I can.

Psycamorean - Sep 30, 2021

And for you to act like I'm just making the claim that it makes sense to justify my score is really offensive to me, because it implies that I'm pretending to understand something I don't, ergo I'm an idiot.

Psycamorean - Sep 30, 2021

Just because my explanations don't meet your expectations for answers doesn't mean I don't understand the plot. I've been reading comics forever, and this one is far from the most convoluted I've read. What I think you want is answers here that serve your preconception about this issue, and not genuine answers.

Psycamorean - Sep 30, 2021

Again, if you're genuinely trying to figure this issue out, sorry, but it really does come across like you're not getting the answer you want, and keep retaliating with more questions, some of which are blatantly answered by the issue if you just read it again.

superstan52 - Sep 30, 2021

maybe you can make a case for it making some kind of sense nut a comic book shouldnt be so confusing and far-fetched and convoluted.

Afre - Sep 30, 2021

We here at Afreâ„¢ Productions value when someone sticks to their guts and doesn't waver even when confronted by someone like us. We appreciate you staying cool-headed the whole argument and trying to answer our questions each time. Even when we offended you. For that we apologize and thank you for your time! May you appreciate Spencer's run on ASM evermore! Our commentator wants to have a closing argument for their point:

Afre - Sep 30, 2021

"maybe I just wanted 20 pages more of Kindred(s) jabbering about sins or something lol"

Afre - Sep 30, 2021

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Psycamorean - Sep 30, 2021

@superstan52 Have you ever read a comic?

Psycamorean - Sep 30, 2021

@Afre Yeah, I regret engaging with you in good faith.

Psycamorean - Sep 30, 2021

I would block you but I'm trying to keep my block list empty. I'll just ask, if you want to comment on my reviews in the future, do it in good faith. This is childish and makes you look terrible.

Afre - Oct 1, 2021

Yeah, I just wanted an answer that was other than "it's all three". I tried to show you with my questions multiple times how dialogue showcases it doesn't make sense, but you doubled down with each time, claiming that it does and did I even read the comic. Because it doesn't. Some of these things weren't clearly answered because it contradicts what was told previously plus we have added unreliable narrator (Mephisto) to the mix.

Afre - Oct 1, 2021

And when your viewpoint on this series has been challenged you just say: "this comic just wasn't what you wanted" and that is the reason I don't like it. You have given each comic a very high rating and that's not the problem. Is that you need justify it each time by starting with the reception of the comic, how "fans aren't patient" and how everything this does is good, even with clear criticisms it had. And even writing in your reviews other people's criticism that are valid here.

Afre - Oct 1, 2021

But dismissing it. That's why I said "you don't need to pretend to get this by giving it a high rating". Because that is how it feels, you want to give this comic a high rating and that's fine. Go ahead and like it. But why do you need the feel to start justifing it so heavily? That's my issue here. Even claiming this Kindred mess "made perfect sense". No it doesn't and we both know it. It's the most convoluted answer to Kindred they could've made and even doubled down here in the final issue.

Afre - Oct 1, 2021

What criticism you may ask? "We don't need to see..." well no we don't, but it would nice you know? Instead of watching Peter being beat down without any visible damage for 20 pages. Which contradicts heavily his first match with Kindred in #52. And having a funeral for Harry would've been nice. Like Flash got. You know, Peter's best friend.

Afre - Oct 1, 2021

That's why I said "May you appreciate Spencer's run on ASM evermore!" because you clearly do. But next time? Don't bring up other people's criticism, especially when you don't have a clear answer why they aren't valid. And no harm in blocking me. Nobody cares. I don't. If I annoy you, just say it and block me. It doesn't mean "you're too afraid to argue your viewpoint" or something.

Psycamorean - Oct 1, 2021

So this comes down to you being annoyed with the answer not being the one that you wanted it to be, as well as the comic not being what you wanted it to be.

Psycamorean - Oct 1, 2021

I don't think your criticisms are completely invalid, but on this, they are. Write the comic you wanted to read instead of arguing with me over it. I don't need to get second hand bullshit from you just because I had a different opinion than you did. I liked the comic, I think it made sense. You should be able to live with that instead of asking me questions you've already decided the appropriate answers to. At least now that the run is over, I don't have to deal with you getting offended.

Afre - Oct 1, 2021

No it doesn't. I didn't have any particular wish for the answer nor did I wanted it to be specific thing. I just wanted it to make sense. It didn't. Because it was a convoluted mess. And yes, I wanted this comic to be a satisfying conclusion to Spencer's run which I have appreciated so much. I didn't have any particular wish or route for this comic to take. But it wasn't for me. I asked you questions when you claimed it made sense. But those answers you gave didn't give it any more sense.

Afre - Oct 1, 2021

And I didn't "decide the appropriate answers to my questions". I didn't know. I still don't know. And what do you mean " I don't have to deal with you getting offended."??? I thought this would be a beginning for a beautiful friendship. I was going to name my child after you. The grumpy one sure, but you know. It's the idea that counts.

Afre - Oct 1, 2021

I mean, ASM is gonna be weekly now so I hoped our discussion would become weekly as well. You know, we bicker, we laugh, we cry, we see each other in a whole new light... and then we see each other in the old light again. And years later, we can "the real Amazing Spider-Man -run were the friends we made along the way" :)

Psycamorean - Oct 1, 2021

I can't help you with understanding it better, you just rejected my answers, despite them being the answers given in the comic. I can't read the comic for you. You clearly have an idea for what you want this issue to be, and my answers don't align with that. The alternative is you just need to comprehend what you're reading better. I don't know what else to say.

Psycamorean - Oct 1, 2021

We're not friends. We're never going to be friendly. I don't think much of you. I think you're just upset that I thought differently than you did, and you want to somehow convince me of your argument. It won't happen. I liked the issue, I think it made sense. Re-read the run instead of bothering me.

Afre - Oct 1, 2021

"You clearly have an idea for what you want this issue to be, and my answers don't align with that" No? I just want it to make sense. "The alternative is you just need to comprehend what you're reading better" No? I understood what was said here. It just doesn't fit into anything that was previously told. "I think you're just upset that I thought differently than you did, and you want to somehow convince me of your argument. It won't happen." No? I said multiple times, it's fine that you like it

Afre - Oct 1, 2021

"We're not friends. We're never going to be friendly. I don't think much of you." Now that is just mean. And out-of-place. How dare you. Party pooper. No cake for you.

Psycamorean - Oct 1, 2021

Look, you're just stupid, I guess. That's what it comes down to. I can't even be nice about it, what's the point? You're annoying anyway.

Afre - Oct 1, 2021

Starting to insult my intelligence? How could you! I really thought we were friends or at least friendly :( And to answer your question, the point is a sharp tip of a sword for example.

Afre - Oct 1, 2021

I thought it was only fair that you have answered my questions so in return I answer yours :)

Psycamorean - Oct 1, 2021

I mean, you can't even figure out a comic book, and now you've been passive aggressive for quite a while now. Good luck with your elevated reading.

Psycamorean - Oct 1, 2021

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/did-amazing-spider-man-74-really-end-the-way-nick-spencer-intended/

Afre - Oct 1, 2021

Yeah I mean I guess it's my fault that I don't even figure out a comic book when the writer is rushed to end it due to this Beyond storyline. Which is why certain elements of the Last Remains story don't match the big finale. So instead of it being rewritten, it was rushed so badly it couldn't connect all the dots Spencer wanted it to. Again the direction was never my problem, it was how it was told and that didn't make sense with what was told previously.

Afre - Oct 1, 2021

So yeah Spencer got Tom King'd and out of the book because of Beyond. Thanks editorial. Very cool. Thanks for ruining this storyline. I hope Beyond is worth it. #Releasethespencercut. So with that confirmation, am I reblocked?

Psycamorean - Oct 1, 2021

It literally says in the article what Kindred was and how he was always supposed to be that. This is the Spencer cut; this was the intended ending. You claimed multiple times that you thought this was rewritten, now you've shifted the goalpost.

Psycamorean - Oct 1, 2021

If you continue the useless back and forth of passive aggressiveness, you will be reblocked.

Psycamorean - Oct 1, 2021

Also, I said it in my review, but I plan on doing in-depth reviews of all the trades. Those reviews will be sure to keep track of all the Kindred developments and how they connect. So if you're still confused, just wait for those.

Afre - Oct 1, 2021

Yeah, I thought it was rewritten and after reading that article, I stated: "instead of it being rewritten, it was rushed so badly it couldn't connect all the dots Spencer wanted it to". So with that I admit that I was wrong because I thought it was rewritten because it didn't make sense, but it was just rushed. But that's not any better. It's even worse when Spencer had to finish his story without having the time to tell all of it so that it makes sense to the readers.

Afre - Oct 1, 2021

Even the article states "it was still much more truncated than originally pitched. And that is the reason that some aspects of the Last Remains story don't match the big finale". So no, it really doesn't change my viewpoint on the comic as a whole. Nor does it proof either of us any more right or wrong. It's still confusing mess, but now I know the reason why it is.

Afre - Oct 1, 2021

And even this article existing should make editorial feel ashamed of themselves. If a newsite have to start asking multiple people "was this the intended ending" because of how comic book concluded, something is clearly wrong. I mean sure, having 7 different artists, 9 inkers and one extra writer on the finale does implicate that something is so very wrong but now we have confirmation.

Psycamorean - Oct 1, 2021

It makes sense though, even with the truncating. All the dots we have aren't invalidated by the ending, they still work within the context of the revelations provided in these last few issues.

Psycamorean - Oct 1, 2021

Wait for my trade reviews, I will explain it again there when I get to it. Don't comment with a "nuh uh" response again.

Afre - Oct 1, 2021

I don' think the idea of "A.I of evil Harry Osborn controlled by Mephisto controls the Stacy twins who are gone but not really who know what happened to Harry's clone but don't know that they are not children of Gwen Stacy even though the demonic A.I. knows it who even uses their body to tell it to MJ and wants her to confront her sins when there are none and are released of Harry's demonic A.I. somehow when Strange wins OG Harry's soul" will ever make sense to me.

Afre - Oct 1, 2021

But if it makes sense to you, cool cool. Let's call it "Mephisto shenanigans" and call it a day.

Afre - Oct 1, 2021

Maybe that idea would've made sense more to me if Spencer had the time to explain it in a way he wanted. But since that will probably never happen, it will remain as a big question mark/"Mephisto shenanigans".

Psycamorean - Oct 1, 2021

@Ben Reilly It'll be soonish. I have to catch up on all the comics I haven't been reading, due to life stuff. And then I have to carve out time for them. I give myself the time between now and when the last two TPBs come out to gear up for it.

Comicsfan1994

Sep 29, 2021

Great ending for Spencer’s run on ASM. Did not give fans everything they wanted but it was a very enjoyable issue. It definitely set right some of the biggest wrongs leading up to OMD

Toonstrack

Sep 29, 2021

Sorry folks. I dug this. Alot. I binged most of this final arc in one or 2 sittings. Was it convoluted? Immensely. But was it good? Yes. Its hard to end a final run in a way that pays homage to the character but also concludes the story satisfactorily. I feel this achieved its goal. Its not perfect but the scenes of Mephisto describing why he recently torments his enemy was just so great. And it is written very well, managing to finish up all of its loose ends in a good way. I wasn't sure if I was going to go for Beyond. But I think I'll give thus first arc a shot.

Comics Code Authorities

Oct 29, 2021

I'm surprised by the amount of negative reviews this book has gotten. I agree it could have been better, but it was good enough for the end of Spencer's run. It was more satisfactory than the Chameleon conspiracy or King's ransom were. I'm really not too surprised Kindred was the villain running around causing all the trouble, but not the mastermind. It seems appropriate that Norman finally be the one to get the "Gotcha" for a change. Clearing up "Sins past" was likely Spencer's plan, not since the start, but for a while now. I have to give him credit for choosing to make that the feather in his hat. The twins being a hoax was something I've been waiting 17 years to hear. It's one of the most welcome revelations since we learned Ben Reill y really was the clone. This is my final new Spider-Man book for the time being, and I have to say it is an appropriate way to say goodbye to this book for a while again. more

Hydro-Man

Sep 29, 2021

So, the culmination of Spencer’s run is… Green Goblin revisionist history. I get a lot of people are going to hate this comic and find this run disappointing overall but overall I enjoyed it. Perfect? Not by any stretch. A lot of enjoyable moments throughout? Yes. And that’s asking a lot coming off the last time Spencer did a lengthy run on one book. At least this one ended with him trying to clean up someone else’s mess instead of bitterly defending a mess of his own making.

Super-Adaptoid

Sep 29, 2021

Let me make it clear that I do not like Nick Spencer. Never have. In fact, he blocked me on Twitter years ago because I dared to call him out on a few things. But when he started his ASM run, I gave it a shot. Three issues and I thought it was stupid and took it off my pull list. But then I started hearing about Kindred…and the mystery of who he was…and it reminded me of the good old days when we had the Jackal…and Carrion…and those mysteries…so I bought all the back issues and got caught up. And I’ve been buying ever since. It ends here and I am satisfied. Didn’t undo OMD and I didn’t expect it to really. I hoped…but that’s ok. Overall, I’m happy with Spencer’s run. I enjoyed it and always looked forward to the next issue. And isn’t that what comics are supposed to be about…fun? more

Rachit Mittal

Sep 30, 2021

Ended not the way I expected but still a good ending. Mayday future of dethroning Mephisto was what I always imagined. Atlast it's canon now.

DDJamesB

Oct 05, 2021

If your take away the aspect that this is supposed to be an epic conclusion to a 3 year story its actually not horrible. I enjoyed reading it too be honest. I just try not to think about the fact it took 73 issues it took to try and get us to this point.

Federico Liguori

Sep 29, 2021

Oh, people will be disappointed. And so am I. I'm not rating this 5/10 or less because the issue is actually good (except for the art that's sometimes dreadful). Yeah... this doesn't address One More Day in any shape or form. It looks like it was all about Harry's tormented soul and the Stacy twins in the end. So, what did Kindred want actually? Why did they hate Peter considering he saved them during Sins Past? Why did Harry spent like 50 issues saying it was all "Peter's fault" considering it was Norman who sold his soul to Mephisto? Why did Mysterio say that all of the chaos was triggered by "something Peter and MJ did"? Spencer, this is not a red herring, it's straight lying to your readers. This story's biggest sin is being a Osborn saga where Spider-Man looks like a side character. Anyway, I actually liked the issue, but it's clear that the board changed Spencer's plans and the ending was rushed, because nothing happened for 20 issues before this and then they release a 80+ pages story. Goodbye Spencer, I still think you are one of the best Spider-Man writers in history. more

Stormwrath

Sep 29, 2021

Is was ok, the art is fine, but the ending lacked impact for such a giant run

omnicitycomics

Sep 30, 2021

I really am sad to say that after 3 years and about 100 issues (with events, tie-ins, etc.), Nick Spencer’s run really went nowhere. Things happened sure, and I am extremely grateful that he undid the Gwen Stacy and Norman Osborn storyline — one of the most horrendous plot points in Spider-Man’s history in my opinion second only to One More Day. But the constant teasing, constant foreshadowing of “mind blowing” revelations, and constant retreading of the Kindred storyline made for a dragged out read with lukewarm payoffs. I hate to say, it even felt like a chore at times getting through a storyline. The initial reveal that Kindred’s driving force was to make Peter suffer for his sins ended up feeling flat after we learn that he didn’t really have a hand in setting the events in motion that led to the creation of Kindred. Furthermore, appearances by characters closest to him like Miles, Cindy, Gwen (Spider-Gwen), and Doctor Strange always felt like they were relegated to nothing more than a backdrop or served to fill the pages. One thing, the only thing really, that I wanted for Spencer to give us was to finally return to Peter and MJ what they deserve most, their marriage. I would have looked past everything and even deemed his run a success if he could have delivered what Spider-Man fans have been rightfully asking for almost 15 years now. But alas, it became another unfinished thread only to be revisited at later date and unnecessarily dragged out for the sake of “build up”. I don’t enjoy criticizing writers. I can only imagine the work that goes into building a story and bringing it to life. However, after spending hundreds of dollars, time, and good faith there comes a point where you ask for change, and change is coming. I’m very excited for the upcoming team of writers. Some of my favorite! I truly hope they give Peter and MJ what they were unjustly robbed of so many years ago. I don’t think we deserve being strung along any further. Please, share your thoughts on this issue and Spencer’s run. Maybe I’m wrong and maybe you can help me see things in a different light! more

CrazyforRAMU

Feb 03, 2022

"Thank goodness that's over" is not the ideal reader reaction you want after an issue or an arc or a run, but that's how I feel. This arc wasn't a total trainwreck, but it had serious problems. Some were too integral to cut out, like the transition from "Harry as singular Kindred" to "Sarah and Gabriel as 2 Kindreds." But some problems could have been trimmed or deleted, like Dr. Strange's superfluous presence. (Mr. Spencer was quick enough to cut away the marriage proposal angle, grumble grumble.) The issue at hand: A hell of a lot of fighting, rendered extra-pointless by a particularly traumatic trip around the artist carousel. The backup strips were decent, although the final one lives or dies based on how much of a Ben Reilly scholar you are. Silver linings: At least Mr. Spencer did some good retconning by burying Sins Past. He even buried his retcon tools, killing Kindred along with the twins. I'd like to think no future writer will be stupid enough to bring them back. But on a long enough timeline … more

allenquanobi

Sep 29, 2021

The 5 is for the art. I forced myself to catch-up on this series to get to the end, which was supposed to wrap up the story in a satisfying way. Instead, we get a half assed rushed conclusion that leads to what we already got earlier in the run, which is that Peter and MJ are together forever. Spencer is a good writer, this is shown in his previous Marvel runs. But I think it’s hard to say this was a good spider man run. It started off with such promise, but then began to become dragged along to this anti climactic conclusion where none of the characters have changed really. It’s a pretty unremarkable run from a remarkable writer. Maybe his departure to sub stack had an effect on the quality of this book. I can’t say I’m loo king forwards to Beyond, but any change is welcome at this point. Hey, remember the engagement ring that Spencer teased earlier in his run? How convenient that just disappeared more

Mighty Morphin Comic Rater

Nov 03, 2021

This was quite a chore to get through. The only redeeming quality of this whole issue was the mini story about Uncle Ben

MasterComics

Oct 01, 2021

A great disappointment the way that the comic company is having to make the issues increasingly soft and childish this does not even reach the T rating. Boring.

Kalaoui

Oct 01, 2021

What a waste. Disappointing in every aspect.

jbong

Oct 03, 2021

I've started reading more manga than comics (no, not because comics are too woke or whatever, that doesn't bother me). The stories there are infinitely more diverse and fresher. Comic book history baggage have led us to...this garbage. As much as I hated OMD, I would really rather them just move on than try to fix the past. No one cares. At least we'll be getting new creatives on this book soon...

Merlyn

Sep 29, 2021

I'm sorry but after all the hype Spencer built all these years, after all the convoluted storytelling he went after at times... this is the best he could come up with? No. I'm sorry, but no. He put all his eggs in this one basket and the omelette we got was terrible, nothing he did here helped any character in a useful way, maybe Norman because he's less of an ass but that's it. Art didn't help either. Hell, the other stories were actually better than the main one!

daspidaboy

Sep 29, 2021

It comes with a heavy heart that I have to give this final issue a negative score. This will not have spoilers. Thanks Afre, Batman, Federico Ligueri and Jeff Plaza for explaining your thoughts more effectively than me. Lets address the elephant in the room. The Art. I understand how art is supposed to be "subjective" but when the art isnt CONSISTENT, then its a big problem. I dont know what HAPPENED to nick Spencer and Marvel Comics, but after Last Remains the art in this series just TANKED and went in the ocean. This art..... yikes it makes me want to look away in shame. Mark Bagley and Patrick Gleason's art barely shows up here. The best art in this entire run was Sins Rising. Lets address the second problem with this entire issue. The Pacing and Theme of the run. This isnt Amazing Spider-Man. This is the Norman Osborn show. Everything this issue has been leading up to.... is just revising Norman Osborn's history. Oh gee, thank you Marvel! Thank you for misleading us and wasting our time. Honestly, I never expected Nick Spencer to erase One More Day from existence (since Aunt May would die, and nearly 14 issues of storytelling would be gone, reduced to atoms) but at least have a more entertaining story that substitues it. Sure, you cant remove One more day, but maybe have Peter Parker propose to Mary Jane and she says Yes. Have Peter Parker realize the truth that he was an idiot to erase his marriage with Mary Jane to save Aunt May (who would die literally in 5 years) from a gunshot wound (why couldnt Dr. Doom and Doctor Strange save her? Oh I know, its because of the PLOT). Third, f*cking Kindred. I am going to be honest with you guys. Kindred is the lamest and boring Spider-Man villain I have ever read in my entire life. Oh no, Spider-Man ruined your life? Well DO SOMETHING YOU LAZY BASTARD. Kindred spent 90 percent of the run talking about sins, standing in the shadows being edgy, and just reacting. I dont hate Kindred because of Kindred's "genius and complex history". I dont like Kindred simply because Kindred is a boring character who gets defeated in an unsatisfactory manner. Fourth, there are so many questions that I have in this final Nick Spencer run. When you are going to leave a popular superhero book, you need to have all your questions answered so it would be satisfying. What happened ot Aunt May realizing she has cancer? What was literally the whole point of Teresa going ot jail for fighting hte Chameleon? What f*cking purpose was the point of Nick Spencer's Hunted story? Nick Spencer killed off the original Kraven the Hunter, undoing Grim Hunt.... only to replace him with a clone of him. What's the point of Spider-Man losing all the time? Is it to make Nick Spencer sound smart? Because Spider-Man loses 80 percent of the time. I honestly had high hopes. After Nick Spencer giving us a dissapointing Secret Empire story, I was willing to be more open-minded. I am a really die-hard Spider-Man fan. Spider-Man is the reason why I was exposed to entertainment. First tv show, toy, video game, pillow, pencil, backpack, bed, blanket, notebook, poster, movie I ever watched was all because of Spider-Man. Sadly.... due to sluggish pacing, inconsistent art, and mediocre stories Nick Spencer ends the run, with a pathetic whimper and limps to the finish line. As a Spider-Man fan, it really breaks my heart to see my favorite character get an unsatisfying ending thats almost as bad as City of Bane. more

Julhin

Sep 29, 2021

Okay, i normally don't write long texts in my reviews, but i have a lot to say about this issue and this run as a whole. First things first: i'm a massive Nick Spencer fan, i absolutely ADORE Superior Foes, Morning Glories is amazing, The Fix is one of the funniest comics i have ever read, His Captain America run was really good(even though Secret Empire ended the way it did) and everything he did with Ant Man was awesome, i just love how much he takes advantage of canon to create his stories and i think he has a really unique sense of humor, and up until Last Remains i was REALLY enjoying this run, you can see my scores for this ASM volume to confirm that. I loved Back to Basics and it's simple but effective story, i loved how he handled c haracters like Black Cat and Jameson, i had tons of fun with Hunted and the nods to Kraven's Last Hunt, i loved the character arc for Boomerang and Janice from the original Superior Foes team, i thought the Absolute Carnage tie ins were Amazing, he and Ryan Ottley delivered what is probably my favorite fight between Spidey and Carnage(even thought it's Norman). I wasn't a huge fan of the 2099 story line but i quickly forgave that after the podcast story with JJ and the little arc with Gog. Sins Rising was awesome and Last Remains would be a perfect story if it wasn't for the lack of an ending. Up until this point i was absolutely in love with this run, i didn't care if the pacing was slow because every story beat was working for me, and i understand that a lot o people had problems with the pacing in specific even before Last Remains, but at least until that point i could feel that Spencer was telling the story he wanted to tell, whether we like it or not. Having said that, i can't express how disappointed i'm with everything since the Mister Negative story. There were some VERY good character moments after it of course(Peter and MJ focused story on #60 for example), but that was just it, the big moments that we where supposed to get after years of seeds being planted for 50+ issues just weren't worth it, everything started to feel so rushed and everything Spencer was aiming for fell short of what it should've been the peak of his run. King's Ransom had the Boomerang twist, but it also had the Robbie and Tombstone rivalry, Randy and Janice relationship, Kingpin's pursuit of the tablet, Gog, Peter's new job as a streamer working with JJ and Norah Winters, the Defenders little reunion....oof. The arc felt so packed and convoluted that every payoff was deluded. It was also where the artist rotation started to become a problem, it doesn't matter if you have many good artists on a book if you can't keep everything consistent, 2 issues with Patrick Gleason(him and Ottley delivered the BEST visuals of this book), 3 issues with Federico Vicentini(a revelation, i loved his style) along with Sabattini helping him, we also had Neves, Antonio and Gomez doing the Giant-Sized conclusion, great artists, but it doesn't matter because everything felt rushed so the art(except from Gleason and Vicentini) was just okay. The Chameleon Conspiracy was even worse, 3 to 4 artists rotating in EVERY issue between 67-69 and the Giant Sized issue, not even Spencer was managing to write on his own and they had to bring Ed Brisson to help with the tight schedule, it was pretty clear that the Editorial was starting to compromise whatever direction the book was going and everything started to completely fall apart. But the absolute worst happened during Sinister War, it was so rushed that even Bagley who is know for being really fast didn't manage to pencil every page of every issue, and Spencer just wrote the 1st issue of the main event and went on to write the tie ins, which guess what? were also rushed and convoluted with 3 to 4 rotating artists. The big finale of this run, the big moment in the making for years, couldn't even have a consistent art team. I'm not even going to talk about the retcons, which although were VERY appreciated(Sins Past, not the Green Goblin one, that was a complete misfire) felt very convoluted, i felt very sorry for new readers of this book and the readers who haven't read every single one of the story's that were referenced between 72-73, it must have been a complete nightmare, i have read every issue of ASM, Spectacular, Friendly Neighborhood, Web Of Spider-Man, Spider-Man and every obscure miniseries you can imagine and i still had to re-read that issue at least 6 times to completely get every single change, and i probably still missed some very big details. And them we get to this issue, and not only we have all of the problems we had for the past 15+ issues but we also have rushed dialogue, lackluster conclusions, and questions that won't even get answered. What the hell did Kindred wanted Peter to Confess? What Happened with the Villains at the Graveyard after Sinister War #4? What about the Rose? Teresa? Did Boomerang even had a proper sendoff? Kindred literally killed Peter i don't know how many times during Last Remains for NOTHING? So Harry died(again) and we don't even get to see Peter Mourn for his best friend? If kindred died, wasn't Norman's Sins supposed to go back to him? What the hell happened with all of these plot points, did they simply forget or did i missed something? Wasn't it also implied that MJ knew what kindred wanted? So they referenced OMD, Had Mephisto and Dr. Strange on the sideline playing a game and they didn't have the courage to address that mess of a story directly? What all of the flashbacks of BND during Last Remains were for? I just can't believe all of this stuff was simply forgotten so that they could finish this run as fast as possible, every single person on the spidey office should be embarrassed by this, Spencer deserved better, WE DESERVED BETTER, this is NOT how you deliver a satisfying payoff to a long story. And last but not least, the book is called Amazing Spider-Man and i don't know if it's just me, but Peter felt like a side character on his own book since even before Last Remains, almost everything interesting that happened during this run came from the characters around Peter, but not him, and up until a certain point it was okay, but after King's Ransom it was starting to bother me A LOT. So, do i absolutely despise this run like I've seen so many people say? no, is it the worst ASM run of all time? hell no, not even close, is it one of the most disappointing eras of Spider-Man and one of the worst long format storytelling of this book since the Clone Saga? unfortunately, yes. It started with so many promises, and it didn't deliver to many of them. And what's even worse is that I'm not even excited for what is to come, it doesn't matter if you have some of the best writers and artists in the business teaming up to tell a bold story if the people in charge of the editorial continue to mess everything up. If you enjoyed every single thing about this run, i envy you, cause i really wanted to like this finale. Having said all that, i will stop reading ASM for the first time in my life for a little while, at least until the book gets to the half of Beyond, hopefully i will be excited when i come back. more

Brownie

Jul 28, 2022

Мусор от начала и до конца(не только комикс, но и ран в целом). Буду краток, ибо просто хочется быстренько высказать свои мысли по рану в целом. Любовь к нему может быть оправдана только тем, что вас одурачили(как и меня по началу) многочисленными байтами на свадьбу мж-паркера, отмену омд, смерти крейвена, отмену синс паста и прочего. Ну и что мы из этого получили? Серегу, отношения Питера и МЖ как раньше, синс Ð¿Ð°ÑÑ ‚ и мертвого Гарри из 200-ого спектака. Только вот такие отношения были даже у Слота(под конец его рана на асм в 1-ом-2-ом томе, понимаете), так что их кто угодно мог повернуть назад, так и сделали собсна. Неужели 74 выпуска мультяшных сюжетов, раскрывающих что "о боже паркер и паук части одного целого" посредством их буквального разделения на две разные части; Уничтожение легенды Нормана Озборна; Бреда с хамелеонами, который вредит персонажу и абсолютно бессмысленен; никудышной смерти Бнд Гарри, который был одной из лучших частей всего Бнд,воскрешения Неда Лидса ну чтобы было, Розы ну чтобы было, кретинизма и настолько упрощенной и наивной чушне типа сюжета про паркера стримера-паука..., да даже вашего времени, потраченного на прочтение интересной истории про то как лига воров украло все артефакты мстителей, фч...просыпаемся, ради двух хороших страниц, где вернули старые отношения с филицией(это приятно, не спорю, но это пунктик,к этому никакого хорошого сюжета не следовало), а может и денег:))), потраченного на нескончаемые байты, что вот вот придет кинберг), в следующем выпуске будет МЖ, читайте обязательно...неужели всё это можно оправдать отменой этих вещей?Я бы честно пережил и с теми вещами в лоре, которые Слот после себя не смыв оставил, их бы все равно кто-то прибрал потом, но я получил бы взамен хорошо написаний ран. А не 74 выпусков исполнений пунктов фанатиков, обещалок Кинберга и байтов с мж. Сам на это повелся поначалу, но ,обдумав, понял как сильно меня одурачили. more

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UxasIs

Oct 27, 2021

What a mess... This is what happens when you use retcons to try to make a good story Its a shame spiderman has had such a weak comic book history the last few decades

ADWE

Sep 30, 2021

The main story is hard to read and doesn't deliver on almost any end. At least the art and backup issues are good.

WhistleBlower

Oct 01, 2021

yawwwwwn

Afre

Sep 29, 2021

EDIT: After reading that bleedingcool article that confirms that this was rushed (not rewritten) by the editorial due to Beyond storyline, I get why this is so disconnected from the other storylines. I feel sorry for Spencer because he had to rush this, but my opinion on the comic doesn't change which is the following: Okay. I had to triple check that I read all the pages. Because all I could think was "wait what? Seriously? That's it?". Apologies for my language beforehand. Yes, it's childish, but I just can't help myself. This is garbage. A shitshow. Is this because OMD wasn't undone? No. Absolutely not. Let's start with that. OMD can't be undone anymore. It's been 14 years. How could they even undo OMD? Aunt May suddenly dies , Peter and MJ have been married and the last 14 years of stories are suddenly erased? So that means Harry never came back alive, May died due to that gunshot and Peter almost killed Fisk? Or how else? Because those stories just don't work if OMD is undone. So that was almost always the case. It was never going to be undone. It takes a lot of work to evenm address it. And Spencer did that. He even gave Mephisto some motivation to help Peter during OMD. I actually like that retcon. Since OMD is here to stay, at least make Mephisto have some kind of motivation. Spencer did that and I'm fine with that. And the idea to make Harry a demon because of OMD? Another good idea. Because Harry's resurrection was always kinda off. So okay. This wasn't because of OMD not being undone. Why is this comic a 1/10? Because it isn't a culmination to anything nor is it an epilogue. So what happened with Kindred? After last issue, I thought it couldn't be possible to make it even more confusing, but here it is. So there were two Kindreds, who were kinda Harry, but not and were the Stacy twins, but not and who wanted what exactly? Break Peter? Make him confess? Confess what? That OMD happened? What sins MJ had? OMD? Kindred's motivation is different compared to even Last Remains. Everything here feels so off. This doesn't feel connected to anything Spencer previously wrote. And that ending. THAT ENDING. So Kindred(s) suddenly lose? And Harry dies? A character we haven't really seen since #800 3 years ago? And he was a clone? Made by whom? AND. HARRY DOESN'T GET A FUNERAL. HE IS JUST LEFT THERE WITH NORMAN. PETER LEAVES HARRY'S DEAD BODY TO NORMAN. LIKE WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK. WHAT IS THIS. Flash got a funeral. But Harry doesn't? PETER'S BEST FRIEND? There isn't any epilogue to this Spencer's ASM! "What will happen with Peter and MJ, Mysterio, J. Jonah Jameson, Norman Osborn, Aunt May and Kindred?!" FUCKING GOOD QUESTION NICK LOWE. I WOULD BE GLAD TO READ THE ANSWER IN THE FINAL MASSIVE ISSUE OF ASM THAT IS THE CULMINATION OF THREE YEARS OF AMAZING SPIDER-MAN. ON THIS CONCLUSION TO NICK SPENCER'S LANDMARK RUN ON THE BEST FUCKING COMIC BOOK IN THE WORLD. Like seriously. What the actual fuck. I've never been this mad for comic in my life. Not even King's Batman run. This comic cost 11€ and I'm so mad. What happens to May? Jonah? Randy? Teresa? Norman now that is free of his sins? Normie and Liz? When will they find out what happened to Harry? Stanley? His father is a clone, what does it make Stanley? Does Peter propose to MJ? I'm speechless. I have so many questions. And now we jump straight to Ben Reilly and Beyond Corporation? AFTER THIS? THERE ARE 35 VILLAINS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE GRAVEYARD UNCONSCIUS! WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM! SIN-EATER? MORLUN? Does Norman get his "sins" back, now that Kindred(s) are dead(?). Or does he stay like that. There are some rumours that Spencer had some kind of fallout with Marvel or editorial, because he hasn't said a word leaving Marvel, nor did he give any interview after Last Remains. And that this comic wasn't completely written by him. That sounds stupid, right? Well I kinda want to believe it. Because this is just can't be the conclusion Spencer wrote. It can't... Peter doesn't feel like Peter here. Nor does he feel like a character even. He gets so much beating from the two Kindreds it's unhealthy. But he is fine? Whaat? I really don't get how strong these two Kindreds are. In #52, Gabe(???) beat Peter easily. AND HERE PETER HAS JUST FOUGHT 36 OF HIS VILLAINS AT THE SAME TIME. AND IS STILL GOING. LIKE WHAT. WHO WROTE THIS??? So yeah. It's terrible shitshow. And don't even get me started on the switching artists. Why even have Bagley here if he makes like 4 pages? Like what? And Humberto Ramos' final pages feel so badly done. Like unfinished mess. Why was this comic so bad and badly done??? more

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daspidaboy - Sep 29, 2021

This may sound controversial but I am going to say that Nick Spencer's the Marvel version of Tom King. Except.... at least Tom King can create some BANGER stories like Vision and other good series like Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow and Omega Men. Nick Spencer's run was overhyped ever since GodzillaMendoza's "how Nick Spencer saved Modenr Spider-Man" blew up.

daspidaboy - Sep 29, 2021

This was REALLY dissapointing because for me this was the final and last issue of Nick Spencer's entire run on Spider-Man. heck, Tom King's City of Bane had nice art. What the hell, why couldnt Marvel give some great art here? And seriously, Kindred's origin is SO convoluted and confusing as f*ck. I mean, not as bad as Tom King's Flashpoint Batman and Wally West, but it wont really make sense ot the majority of hte readers.

daspidaboy - Sep 29, 2021

I also liked how Spider-Man was struggling SO MUCH against one kindred, but when Harry Osborn died Spider-Man beat two Kindreds easily. I LITERALLY called this weeks ago when I said Peter Parker is going to save the day by the power of friendship. But overall..... this entire run was dissapointing and as a huge Spider-Man fanboy it breaks my heart.

Quinn - Sep 29, 2021

Hey, MJ and Peter were Mattie for 21 years and they undid that. And people liked the marriage, Marvel writers with limited imagination excepted, so why would people have a hard time letting go of a terrible universally reviled. But I could be wrong.

Afre - Sep 29, 2021

@daspidaboy: Yeah, there are too many similarites with this and King's conclusion. I loved Spencer's run, until Chameleon Conspiracy and Sinister War. They were terrible.

Afre - Sep 29, 2021

@Quinn, the thing is, it's just that OMD had so big ramifications. If they undid that, Harry would've been dead the whole time. And so would be Aunt May. So, the whole FEAST thing would go away. So would many Harry's plotlines, from New Ways to Die to American Son to Parker Industries to Go Down Swinging. And if MJ and Peter stayed married, he wouldn't dated Carlie.

Afre - Sep 29, 2021

And that changes even more things in Big Time that Slott created. So the thing is, if OMD would've been undone, that means Peter and MJ have to separate, or the whole canon just doesn't work. And May and Harry being dead really change a lot.

daspidaboy - Sep 29, 2021

You know what's the worst part about this ending? It's somehow that I kind of.... MISSED DAN SLOTT's run. Holy Buddha, we are truly in the endgame now. Seriously, I appreciate how Nick Spencer made Peter Parker more mature and responsible (which I mean anyone can do that). But say what you want about Dan Slott, he put out some great stories like Spider-Verse, Superior Spider-Man, Grim Hunt, New Ways to Die, Go Down Swinging, etc.

Afre - Sep 29, 2021

Yeah I completely agree. Slott at least ended with a pretty good storyline. And there wasn't anything left open. Go Down Swingig was food, Superior Spider-Man and Spider-Verse were excellent. And New Ways to Die was 12 years ago (it was released 09 here in Finland) and still is my favourite BND story. But sorry, I gotta nitpick a little though. Slott didn't write Grim Hunt, just the Mysterio part of the Gauntlet.

superstan52 - Sep 30, 2021

you should know by now that comic book writers can make up whatever suits them so if they want to undo OMD without affecting May or anything else,they can do s0

Federico Liguori - Sep 30, 2021

Yeah mate, I feel you. It looks like Spencer and Marvel forgot the last 30 issues and just said "ok, let's get this done". Kindred kinda makes no sense after this issue, their motivations are incomprehensible and so is the whole "AI Harry is possessed by Mephisto who is possessing the twins". I'm glad they retconned Sins Past, but that's about it.

Jeff Plaza

Sep 29, 2021

This was massive massive let down. I was on board Nick Spencer story untill Marvel Editiorical High jacked his book and rewrote it leaving this massively unsatisfying. THIS.WAS GARBAGE. No way he left this conclusion before he left marvel. THERE ARE LITERALLY.PANELS and dialogue in the comic that look like that were deleted. The main one is the last pages where it looks like peter says something important to Mj( Proposal???) But its scribbled out! THIS WAS GARBAGE!! I hope one day Spencer can let us know what happened because marvel just gave a BIG F you to.fans and OMD haters

Doku

Sep 29, 2021

Let’s be clear. Spencer, Lowe and Co. needed over 80 issues to complete the Kindred arc. 80+ issues! Repeat that again to yourself and you begin to realize just how absurd this whole fiasco really was. Then to top it off it was completely incoherent storytelling. There are only two possible explanations…either it’s total incompetence by the editorial staff or a shameless cash grab. I’m not sure what’s worse, but I do know that without a complete changeover in editorial, we’re in for more of the same. This is Marvel’s flagship character. The fans and the Spider-man legacy deserve better.

superstan52

Sep 30, 2021

Something is definitely amiss. Months ago Dr. Strange bursts into Mephisto's lair and asks "What have you done to Peter Parker?" Now, months later, he's concerned with Harry Osborn's clone? PP produced a wedding ring months ago. What happened with that? MJ starts to admit something to Peter, it's interrupted and never referred to again. Norman Osborn sells his son's soul to the devil and then cries - over his clone! - that he was always "enough" for him. WTF? For years there was one Kindred, and now suddenly there are two. Don't even get me started on trying to figure out who created Kindred or what all those "sins" were about - or why Kindred was so obsessed with them. Sooo many red herrings and months of build-up that went nowhere.