He's salty that the only representation he has is Deathstroke in the Judas Contract
Superman: Son of Kal-El #5
| Writer | Tom Taylor |
| Artist | John Timms |
| Cover Price | $3.99 |
Faster than fate. As powerful as hope. Able to lift us all. For all his great power, Jon Kent can’t save everyone, but that won’t stop him from trying. How much can Earth’s new Superman do before this Man of Steel buckles? And when he does, who swoops in to save Superman?
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But Why Tho? - Swara Ahmed
Nov 16, 2021Superman: Son of Kal-El #5is a masterfully moving issue that gets even more to the heart of Jon Kent and his motivations. With beautiful art by Timms and HI-FI, a poignantly relatable story about burnout by Taylor, and great lettering by Sharpe, this is an issue that readers new and old won't want to miss. I cannot recommend this series and this issue enough. Read Full Review
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DC Comics News - Derek McNeil
Nov 16, 2021Superman: Son of Kal-El #5 is another stellar story from Tom Taylor and John Timms. At this point, I'm convinced that Taylor couldn't write a bad story if he deliberately tried to do so. I look forward to seeing what else Taylor has planned for Jon in the upcoming months. Read Full Review
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9.7
Comic Watch - Bethany W Pope
Nov 16, 2021This is a wonderful story, told with tremendous skill and illustrated with art that verges on gorgeous. I cannot recommend it highly enough. Read Full Review
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9.6
You Don't Read Comics - David Harth
Nov 17, 2021Superman: Son Of Kal-El #5 has been the talk of the comic industry since it was announced, and it delivers. Taylor is making everyone a believer in Jon as Superman, one super feat at a time. The relationship between him and Jay hits the next level, and its a perfect moment. This issue is going to get praised by some, the ones who know comics and panned by those who dont and are trying to make some culture war points. All that matters is that this is a great comic with some great moments. Read Full Review
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9.0
AIPT - David Brooke
Nov 16, 2021There's a vibrancy to Superman: Son of Kal-El you can't get anywhere else in comics. There's a hopefulness Superman inspires, a brightness to the art and clever visual ideas. Read Full Review
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9.0
Geek Dad - Ray Goldfield
Nov 16, 2021This isn't a big coming-out story, it's just a connection between two LGBT superheroes. My only quibble is with the art in some places"it's very good, but Jon looks a little too old and square-jawed in some places, like his father. Overall, a great issue and a great moment for DC. Read Full Review
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8.7
Graphic Policy - Logan Dalton
Nov 16, 2021Superman: Son of Kal-El #5 is character, not plot-driven as Tom Taylor, John Timms, and Hi-Fi dig into Jon Kent's emotions at both work and play. He has great power, but he also has limitations. However, smooching a cute boy and taking some time for self-care will help with that so that Jon is back in action and using his powers in a social justice-tinged way. Read Full Review
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8.0
ComicBook.com - Nicole Drum
Nov 17, 2021Taylor is creating something special with this story and yes, this issue could have moved the story a bit further forward, lingering here in these life lessons for Jon is time well-spent. Read Full Review
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8.0
Henchman-4-Hire - Sean Ian Mills
Nov 20, 2021The smooch heard 'round the world is not yet best part of this really enjoyable comic about Superman being the best Superman he can. Read Full Review
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7.0
COMICON - Tony Thornley
Nov 19, 2021The big coming out issue is more of a story about control and responsibility. The reveal is just one element of a bigger picture, and we'll see what it means for the future. Read Full Review
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7.0
Bleeding Cool - Hannibal Tabu
Nov 27, 2021It's not as if you could say anything went wrong here. Bendix's impact is more felt than seen, as there is no direct antagonist in these pages. The flitting from disaster to crisis and back kept the attention focused on spectacle, hoping the emotional core of the latter pages would carry the day. It was a solid gambit and not a bad one, save for one would-be rescuee who paid the price, but it spotlights Jon's inexperience and his limitations to not even see the true problem despite the many people whose lives he improved. This is a solid book that can see greatness from here, but it hasn't quite made the jump just yet. Read Full Review
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6.8
Weird Science - Eric Shea
Nov 16, 2021While there's a lot to enjoy with this book since we do have Superman doing Superman things, while also giving us the exciting smooch heard around the world, this issue feels like it was written specifically for the spectacle of that and little else because it doesn't feel like a real continuation of where we left off previously because Jon just decides to do other things..... The art looks great though and hopefully next issue we'll get back to taking down Gamorra. Read Full Review
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6.0
Supergirl Comic Box Commentary - Anj
Nov 24, 2021I know ... I know ... it can't be true can it? What do you all think? To be honest, of everything that happened in this book from the kiss to the weird Jay stuff, the hospital vignette is the one that I keep replaying. It just isn't that simple. And this sort of lackadaisical approach to real-life issues weighs heavy on me. Read Full Review
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5.0
Comic Crusaders - Lucas Fashina
Nov 19, 2021Tom Taylor has added some romance to Jon Kent's life, but it feels clunky and shoe-horned in. Read Full Review
USER REVIEWS
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Growing up as a bi kid who loved Superman more than anything, I can't tell you how much it would have meant to know that someday there was going to be a genuinely excellent Superman comic with a tender, queer romance in it. Goodness knows at age 40 it still means the world. I love this and it gives me such hope and joy to see it be the commercial smash hit of 2021, because that means we're going to see comics that look like the real world much more often now.
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WAAAAAH SUPERMAN TOO GAY WAAAAAH
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A really great, solid issue. A whole lot of super-rescues, and how Jon has as much of his mother in him as he does his dad. I loved the moment between him and Jay, just really sweet and vulnerable. Jon has way more confidence than his father did at that age from the looks of it. The youthful energy of this book is enough to put a smile on the most hardened faces. That is, unless you're a cantankerous, sour soul with no room for joy in your life. A great new Superman tale for a new generation!
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9.5
Wanted to post before the hype starts. This was another great issue of the book . It looses .5 point because Jon is not ten ( maybe one day I’ll get over it) The only problem with the book is the problem all modern books have in the slow pacing nothing happens writing for the trade. None the less buy those before the speculators di
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9.5
The first half of this book has one of the best Superman sequences in the past years, such a great book. Fantastic art, writing and coloring.
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9.5
this issue will be overhated but who cares? it was damn good
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9.5
Como falou o amigo abaixo, o inÃcio dessa edição tem os melhores momentos Superman em anos. Infelizmente tem gente que só vai pulando até achar um painel para reclamar e ficar chorando. O fato do Jay ter deixado o mundo sem o Superman por 9 horas e aquele quadro do "I'm the one person.......", me dão a sensação do Jon estar sendo manipulado. Serio, se não for por puro preconceito, não há razão para dar notas muito baixas a essa edição.
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9.5
And we're back! Absolutely adore John Timm's work. Taylor's Saturday Morning Cartoons energy is paced stronger here with some fine characterization and the pace is better with the issue ramping up and slowing down when it needs to. Jon is quickly becoming one of my favorite characters in comics, can't wait to see where this goes next.
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9.0
Great issue, but with his enhanced powers, when Jon gave "the kiss" how come he didn't inadvertently rip the tongue out of his paramour?
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9.0
I think Merlyn is right. Make everyone bisexual.
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WhistleBlower - Nov 19, 2021He went into a frothing rage and blocked me when I said that it's wrong for people like Matt Gaetz to molest children.
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9.0
I'm coming around to the Timms art.
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9.0
Much better art this time around. I like the continuation of this story and I love the jabs at Bendis. It's likely just for fun but it does bring a certain satisfaction in my lizard brain whenever someone calls him out. A person's sexuality is a journey. Just because, "he was never attracted to boys" in another comic doesn't mean he can't find himself over time. He aged what, 7 years in our 1? These are comics, he flies in space and people's biggest complaint is he's bi? Whatever. Story is good, sexuality shouldn't detract from people's reviews or enjoyment unless they are bigots. I agree with Psyc and Merlyn, more bisexual characters please! (And more Kate Kane because Batwoman is extremely underrepresented and should be allowed to marry w hoever she wants.) more
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9.0
This issue was damn good! All the "salvations sequences" were great, Superman being Superman. And I don't care Jon being bi, but the kiss come out from nowhere. I mean, they just... kissed... for no reason or even a flirting. So I do expect that Taylor gives us some relatioship development from this start (please, Tom). About the art, still don't like it.
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9.0
This continues to be a great story as John feels the pressure of being superman
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8.5
This was a fun, interesting issue, can't wait to see where this Bendix plot goes
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This issue is going to get negative review bombed by those with parasocial relationships with pedophile YouTubers (The Quartering, Yellowflash, etc). Wow, DoorMan and Mingthemerciless are really eager to defend pedophilia to the death. I wonder why.
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Mingthemerciless - Nov 17, 2021I thought you progs were calling pedos "minor attracted people" now.
Mingthemerciless - Nov 17, 2021I'm simply offering you what your fellow prog professor -whi uses the pronoun "they" wants pedophiles to be called.
Mingthemerciless - Nov 17, 2021And of course I don't need to tell someone as in tune with with pedophiles as you Ethan that NAMBLA used to March in pride parades in prog enclaves like San Francisco.
DoorMan - Nov 17, 2021Oh Ethan, are you still there? I presume you did your due diligence when making such a claim right? You are not scrambling on the internet now ,after making such a claim, hoping to find anything that will corroborate your claim are you? Big time LOL
Psycamorean - Nov 17, 2021Look, Quartering doesn't need to be a pedophile. He's a whiny bitch drunk that gets cucked by his wife for pizza and pisses in a drain in his basement. He's not someone to respect, listen to, or acknowledge.
DoorMan - Nov 17, 2021@Pyscamorean: Your assuming that I meant it as an insult to you, specifically. What if I was genuinely asking you to imagine that?
DoorMan - Nov 17, 2021@Pyscamorean: Regarding your second response: all of what you just said is irrelevant to what is in question here. That is a separate discussion entirely. Someone made an outrageous claim. Said someone is asked to substantiate the claim. It is very specific and easy to follow.
DoorMan - Nov 17, 2021@Ethan. You have been granted one more chance to save your reputation. If you are unable to substantiate your outrageous claim, you will officially join rank in the Hall of Shame.
Psycamorean - Nov 17, 2021@DoorMan I feel like you think you're smarter than you actually are. Obviously you did mean it as an insult, otherwise it wouldn't make sense in the context of the conversation. As for what I said, it's completely relevant. If you watch this guy, you're as much of a chud as he is.
DoorMan - Nov 17, 2021@Pyscamorean: Oh wow haha! I honestly just thought the same thing of you, but I restrain myself from making such emotionally fueled comments to complete strangers online. That is funny forsure. It depends on whether or not you interpret it as an insult. Case in point, I didn't interpret you saying "Imagine exposing yourself as a Quartering viewer." as an insult at all. I found it humorous honestly. You sure do make many assumptions about strangers you know nothing of.
DoorMan - Nov 17, 2021What is in question here is whether or not the dude from the YouTube channel is a pedophile or not, as claimed by Ethan. What is relevant is are facts that would either add to or take away from the validity of the claim. I am confused how you consider one who watches the show, in and of itself, relivent to what is in question.
Hex - Nov 18, 2021Imagine defending shitty Youtubers who genuinely don't give a crap about you and crap all over comics.
DoorMan - Nov 18, 2021@Hex: I believe you are conflating me asking to for proof of a claim, with me defending said YouTuber. I never once claimed that Said YouTuber is not a pedophile, I simply asked Ethan to substantiate what he said. If Ethan can furnish concrete evidence then I will be convinced and obviously would not defend Tje Quartering.
DoorMan - Nov 18, 2021When making such an outrageous claim you inherently place the burden of proof on yourself. It isn’t the Quartering guy, myself or anyone else’s burden to prove innocence. Ethan must prove said YouTuber is guilty of what’s been alleged.
DoorMan - Nov 18, 2021And by the way guys, I have never watched the Quartering Show, or whatever the hell it is. I know of it. Don’t be so quick to rush to faulty conclusions.
Psycamorean - Nov 18, 2021Don't watch it. His whole shtick is performative outrage about anything and everything. He always makes objectively wrong claims to support his narrative, my favorite was probably that he said Captain Marvel was a flop because "it's woke" when in reality, it grossed over a billion at the box office.
DoorMan - Nov 18, 2021@pyscamorean haha! Thanks for the advice. I’m not big on YouTube or t.v in general anyway, rather pick up a novel. Goodnight guys. Enjoy your night.
Psycamorean - Nov 18, 2021I looked into the pedo allegation, just to see, and the most I can find is he made cringe comments about how it was bad that they didn't sexualize an underage cartoon character, obsessing over her lack of breasts. And also, he went around wearing a "Free Ghislaine" shirt, as in Ghislaine Maxwell, as in Jeffrey Epstein's accomplice in his pedo rape ring. So a lot of people like to joke and call Quartering a pedophile, since it's his go-to attack for those he doesn't like.
DoorMan - Nov 18, 2021Ah I see. Well I commend you for the effort. Unfortunately I have become exhausted with this topic. Unless you wish to continue, then I will. But tomorrow. I cannot let the pancakes burn. Goodnight.
Hex - Nov 18, 2021@Door You can see how vehemently you were arguing for the proof that you asked for looks like defense right? Also, this isn't a court room, burden of evidence doesn't exist here. Like yeah, backing it up with evidence IS probably the right thing to do but more often than not, people on the internet, here especially, YOU as well are examples of extreme hyperbole. And being, "bored of the topic" after you got some semblance of an answer disputing your argument is childish.
DoorMan - Nov 18, 2021@ Hex: Ugghh I really did not want to drag this on man.. When someone makes a serious allegation like Ethan did, it is important that we act impartially and that we presume innocence until proven guilty. I asked a simple question that everyone should be asking. If you cannot substantiate your allegation, then what is there to defend? "Burden of evidence doesn't exist here" It is not too late to delete this part man. Proof beyond a reasonable doubt not been attained.
DoorMan - Nov 18, 2021If I wear a shirt that says " Free Richard Huckle"( When he was alive obviously) Would that act in and of itself make me a pedophile?
Hex - Nov 19, 2021"Imagine exposing yourself as pansexual when nobody asked." Doesn't sound very impartial. Sounds pretty aggressive actually. And again, this isn't a court of law and using the easiest, most quoted courtroom vocabulary doesn't make you sound smart, just a like a tool. It's not too late to delete all of your messages. I'll delete mine if you do yours.
Psycamorean - Nov 19, 2021Listen, if we all just admit we're a little gay, the world would be better.
DoorMan - Nov 19, 2021@Hex lol I don’t think your following man. It is not worth my time to argue with someone like you. I enjoy exchanging with @pyscamorean because he is sharp and really makes me think, I can’t say the same for you. Goodnight.
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7.0
This is a pretty solid issue. I've always enjoyed montages of Superman saving people, and although that element of this issue may have lasted a bit long, I still enjoyed it. The chemistry between Jon and the other guy is really good, but I still wish their romance could be built up a bit more because the kiss felt a little abrupt and random. I honestly really enjoy the art. It's vibrant and it captures the youthful energy of the comic with just the right dash of maturity.
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7.0
This series is starting to find it's feet a little more, but I still don't buy Jon as Superman. I'll see how the next issue goes to determine whether or not I end up dropping this series. I just can't imagine coming back to a book that isn't for me every month just to go into a rage about it because one of the main characters likes both cock and pussy.
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5.5
"It's not you, it's an armed robbery" Yeah, there's like zero chemistry between these two. Zero. Nada. Zilch. But at least we know who's going to be headlining the next year's pride anthology. With that out of the way. Five issues! It took Jon five issues to finally act like a bloody superhero. About damn time. Saving people from drowning, kidnapping; finding lost children, and carrying a whole bridge with cars and people on it? Ok, that's overdoing it. It's just so far that the suspension of disbelief can take you. And I know why he's wearing a mask, I do, but I'm pretty sure his Kryptonian heritage makes him immune to covid. As for the art. John Timms is back, so the issue looks good and the atrocities of issue #4 are nowhere to be found here. That's good. I also didn't feel preached to while reading this issue. Didn't think that Talyor can rein it in, but apparently, he can. Some of the lines leading up to "the big moment" and after it felt a bit cringy, but in my book, cringy is better than being preachy. more
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5.0
The artwork is better than last issue, as is the colouring. The script is better too. Nothing really happens, though. In this instance, Taylor's script is the victim of the current trend for incredibly decompressed story-telling.
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This whole series has been a simplistic writing. FanfictionTaylor can't even take the time to have an affair with the other guy, everything is too fast, from one moment to the next it gives Jon's boyfriend powers, and it isn't a power that gives him the ability to maintain a relationship beyond of hold hands with the superbi. So we have Jon not being a superhero but an activist of an ecological communist propaganda (as if that were possible, let's just look at China and its big problems in water pollution) and now without their own sexual tension they are already kissing. If Taylor's goal was to give a rose novel, not even he can do it right. The action and challenges of this new superbi are boring as is his relationship where he surpris ingly decided he liked boys, he didn't even take the time to tell us how Jon discovered this part. more
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maelstron - Nov 17, 2021"let's just look at China and its big problems in water pollution) and now without their own sexual tension they are already" what is wrong with peopple? China isn't the only one pollluting the word. But go on with anti-communist propaganda
Merlyn - Nov 17, 2021China is one of the world's biggest polluters. And they couldn't care less about the environment, they don't give a shit about the Paris accord. It's why Trump got out of it. China and India, one superpower and another country that is one of the fasters growing economy, don't have to do anything according to that stupid accord because they're "emerging economies".
Merlyn - Nov 17, 2021So yeah, it's not "anti-communist propaganda" to shit on China because they're actually major assholes. Never mind they released a virus that we still can't get rid of and that they're holding people in concentration camps. Stop defending a horrendous regime. And btw, "anti-communist propaganda" is great, communism is a failure of an ideology that has led to tens of millions of deaths. I don't get why being an anti-communist is wrong.
Psycamorean - Nov 17, 2021China isn't communist. It's state capitalist. If you want to blame any ideology, blame capitalism. It's the same reason the Paris Accords were so weak. Money trumps an inhabitable planet. I don't know how much longer it'll take for dumbfucks to realize that the planet ecology is literally collapsing around them. Maybe they'll recognize it when they're killed by it, but we know that some people are so stupid they'll die claiming they're still right.
Mingthemerciless - Nov 17, 2021Somebody upset the princess again. China is communist tulip. Rebranding your ideologies failures is not a good look. Weak.
Mingthemerciless - Nov 17, 2021Yes literally collapsing around them and only the princess s latest idea of communism will save us. With dreams and wishes again buttercup?
Psycamorean - Nov 17, 2021Hey Ming, I called you Merlyn's ball licker the other day, guessing that if I were to check his reviews, you'd be the one commenting and agreeing with him 90% of the time. I did actually go and check, and I've found that I'm 100% right. I feel like you shouldn't cast homophobic stones in your rainbow tinted glass mansion.
Merlyn - Nov 17, 2021@fear: Block this idiot, you really don't need this moron commenting on your reviews, you're better off without a useless idiot who pretends China isn't communist, marxism-leninism isn't communism and Stalin wasn't communist. Just get rid of him, he's a total idiot.
Psycamorean - Nov 17, 2021So did you, so you should be able to define this thing you rally against constantly, right?
Merlyn - Nov 17, 2021I don't want to, I just said. This is your game, this is how you bait others into talking with you because you need attention. I'm done doing that.
Psycamorean - Nov 17, 2021Lmao you can't give a simple definition for this thing you obsess over. Just use google next time, you sad man.
Merlyn - Nov 17, 2021K. @Fear: I still think you're better off without this pathetic loser rambling on and on and defending a pathetic ideology that has killed so many people.
Psycamorean - Nov 17, 2021Yeah, you'd better block Merlyn guy. Capitalism murders and enslaves so many that frankly it's irresponsible to keep him around.
Mingthemerciless - Nov 17, 2021No how about you define how your latest idea of communism restores climates princess. Try to leave your dreams and wishes out this time petunia.
Psycamorean - Nov 17, 2021I don't think there is a way to restore the climate, and I've said this directly to you before in other comment chains. There's only ways to mitigate the outcomes of the damage done, and ensure that no further damage is done. I actually don't think communism is entirely necessary for this process. In fact, I could make a capitalist argument for investing in green energies. If America were to do so, we could develop new technologies and patent them, and then sell them to the rest of the world.
Merlyn - Nov 17, 2021AAAAAAAAAAAARGH... WE'RE ALL GOING TO BURN, give us more money to usher in our socialist totalitarian utopia where you don't own anything and you're happy and we save you from yourselves. :)))))
Psycamorean - Nov 17, 2021This would lead to millions and millions of jobs for our workforce, outpace our economy with our rivals, namely China, and make the world better in the process. The more we invest and develop, the cheaper this technology gets, and the easier it is to implement in poverty-stricken areas and emerging economies.
Psycamorean - Nov 17, 2021This is an America First, Energy Independent plan, and if you disagree with it, you're not a patriot, frankly.
Psycamorean - Nov 17, 2021Also, I'm not sure why you keep up with the condescending flower names, Ming. I'm sure if my masculinity was as fragile as yours, it'd work better.
Mingthemerciless - Nov 17, 2021Lol...millions and millions of jobs. Tell Spain it went to a green economy years ago.
Mingthemerciless - Nov 17, 2021So you cant restore climates with your latest idea of communism but we have to adopt an economy with no ability to meet demand under a more stealthier version of your idea of communism or we burn to crisp. Right princess?
Psycamorean - Nov 17, 2021So Spain doesn't have a green economy. Most of their energy consumption comes from fossil fuels. The latest stats I found from 2015 shows that only 14% of their energy came from green energy, with an added 12% if you want to count nuclear. On top of that, they never ceased fossil fuel production, and their latest pledge is to stop by 2042. This is not a green economy or even close to one. Their job market has a total of ~500k green energy jobs. You're just wrong, and what should I expect lol.
Mingthemerciless - Nov 17, 2021What happens when wind turbines freeze up petunia? Which they do. Will your latest idea of communism unfreeze them?
Psycamorean - Nov 17, 2021I don't think we can restore the climate, period. We should adopt a better economic system for a myriad of reasons, but climate isn't necessarily a big one. Maybe my idea of capitalism is too naive, and the billionaires that decide that we should continue subsidizing and wasting money on a fuel industry that kills everything around its production, and is slowly destroying our planet, instead of investing in green energy will never change their minds.
Psycamorean - Nov 17, 2021Maybe it'd be easier to do this under communism, but it's not wholly necessary. Rest assured though, we will burn regardless now. It's just a matter of surviving the burn and not fuel to that fire. You can even look up where you're living and see how climate change is most likely to affect you. It's not pretty. And you literally can't escape it.
Merlyn - Nov 17, 2021Green energey = people from poor countries dying in spaded. Then again, it tracks. Socialists never care about people, they just pretend to care until they get to power. More realist would be nuclear energy. But, as in Germany, we can't use that because idiotic greens are scared of it and are screeching like the retards they are.
Psycamorean - Nov 17, 2021Also, Ming, I know that's a talking point you heard circling around the Texas energy disaster. The wind turbines didn't freeze, Texas' shitty energy infrastructure broke down under abnormal cold conditions (due to climate change). You should blame the energy barons that decided to put Texas in its own energy grid in order to maximize profits, therefore making it impossible for energy from outside Texas to be pumped in.
Mingthemerciless - Nov 17, 2021You dont have a mind to change tulip. Yours a good little brown shirt for your keepers. Tell us all how anarchy is good for us again princess.
Psycamorean - Nov 17, 2021Merlyn, I'm actually pro-Nuclear energy. And those poor countries, particularly around the equator, will become inhabitable in the next 50 to 100 years. So don't act like you give a shit when you're advocating for the system that will certainly kill them, or make them climate refugees that you will certainly want to gun down at our borders.
Psycamorean - Nov 17, 2021Ming, I'm pretty sure you're not even a fully functioning person. At least Merlyn can kind of spell and use grammar, to somewhat resemble a point. Let the adults talk.
Merlyn - Nov 17, 2021"Climate refugees" lol, you people come up with all sorts of stupid shit. :)) And stop assuming what I want and what I don't.
Mingthemerciless - Nov 17, 2021Spain tried a green economy and saw massive unemployment. Nice try princess.
Psycamorean - Nov 17, 2021Yeah, refugees from an inhospitable climate. I'm sure you'll act like its fake when they actually start having to move too.
Psycamorean - Nov 17, 2021Spain saw massive unemployment due to the 2008 financial crash (caused by a housing loophole that bankers exploited to... maximize profits. (I'm sensing a theme). You're conflating the attempt at a green economy with this event that basically ended that attempt because the world economy fell apart.
Mingthemerciless - Nov 17, 2021Lol more rebranding your failures buttercup? I'm sending a theme. The Spanish elites wanted to be seen as world leaders and the attempt at going green nearly sent the country over the cliff. You're weak princess.
Merlyn - Nov 17, 2021Well, I'm sure that for you all the people who are literally flown with plans to Belarus right now just to put pressure on the EU are also refugees who we should receive so yeah, sorry if I don't trust your intentions.
Mingthemerciless - Nov 17, 2021Perhaps you can teach them the virtues of anarchy tulip? You seem to believe its beneficial to society.
Psycamorean - Nov 17, 2021The Belarus migrant crisis is mostly just white nationalist bullshit. Another extension of the idea that "fake refugees" are flooding the EU. You really did just out yourself, Merlyn. You definitely don't care about refugees, and I'm sure you do want to shoot them down at the borders.
Psycamorean - Nov 17, 2021Hey Ming, if you want to talk anarchism, join my discord: https://discord.gg/xJz6buvNFZ
Mingthemerciless - Nov 17, 2021You're very easy to upset by the way buttercup. And very weak. Peace.
Psycamorean - Nov 17, 2021Merlyn, the crisis is basically a pissing match between the EU and Belarus. Belarus' autocratic ruler, Aleksandr Lukashenko, has been purposefully sending Afghan migrants to the Polish border, where the right-wing white nationalist government has not allowed them in, with fearmongering about sovereignty, and the threat to polish culture. This has led to these migrants being forced into inhospitable condition, where many have died. These migrants are pawns, but migrants nonetheless.
Merlyn - Nov 17, 2021Ok, you lost me at right-wing white nationalist government, you're definitely crazy. :))
Merlyn - Nov 17, 2021Oh, and they're not "forced". They're tearing down the barbed wire. Nobody "forces" them to do that. Yes, they are used, but they're hardly victims, at least from their behavior.
Psycamorean - Nov 17, 2021Poland is white nationalist. They closed their borders over fears propagated by white nationalists. Afghan migrants have to cross through Belarus to seek asylum in the EU. The Belarusian government is forcing them through, and then abandoning them between the borders, where they can neither return to Belarus or enter Poland, which is why they're dying.
Psycamorean - Nov 17, 2021If my option is starve or die from exposure, or force myself into a country where I can legally claim asylum, I'm not just going to suffer and die. I know that's what you'd like them to do, but they are interested in living.
Merlyn - Nov 17, 2021I mean, yes, if you're you then everyone to the right of Lenin is white nationalist. So yeah, in that spirit Poland is white nationalist. :)) They closed their borders and they've done a great job.
Merlyn - Nov 17, 2021They could ask for asylum and I'm sure many Western non-white nationalist (lol) countries could take them. That would require them to give a fuck for our laws and they don't. They do the same when they're being received in other countries. I do feel sorry for them but I'm pretty sure when they're setting a foot in those planes they know where they're going so yeah, they're not exactly victims.
Psycamorean - Nov 17, 2021I don't actually like Lenin, Merlyn. I don't even consider him left-wing, due to his authoritarianism and dictatorialism, and his crackdown on workers' rights in russia in favor of nationalist fearmongering.
Psycamorean - Nov 17, 2021If you think Poland is doing a great job, in any way, including at the border, it's pretty clear that you're a morally reprehensible person, so thanks for clearing that up.
Psycamorean - Nov 17, 2021You seem pretty uneducated on how asylum works. And it might actually be too much for me to type out here. But, I think if you don't see people forced to leave their home country to avoid a despotic regime, and then made t be pawns in geo-politics between two awful countries, and then left to die, as victims, you have major problems with your ability to empathize. I think the reason for that inability has to do with skin color, if you're a fan of Poland.
Merlyn - Nov 17, 2021Not what I meant by that, you know what I meant. And yes Poland is doing a great job trying to preserve their culture. At the border they're doing the best they can. No one is helping them. EU has provoked this crisis because they got in bed with Lukashenko now the crazy dictator wants things back at normal after the shitshow he pulled and meanwhile EU doesn't help, no one helps. What's Poland to do?
Mingthemerciless - Nov 17, 2021Lol Lenin. More rebranding of your failed ideology. You remind Wile E Coyote but without the charm. He always thinks his next idea will work too.
Merlyn - Nov 17, 2021No, no, I know, your solution is to let them all in. If it were up to you, all the Middle East and Africa should just pour down in Europe and USA. That would be great.
Merlyn - Nov 17, 2021And all of South America, too. Everyone should just go wherever they want, just put your finger on a map and just go to live there, that would work wonders.
Psycamorean - Nov 17, 2021Poland should let the migrants in, as most of them would probably just pass through to better countries, but otherwise, they should support the migrants and help them transition to a better life.
Merlyn - Nov 17, 2021Ok, enough crap from you. @Fear: I stand by what I said, this guy is all sorts of crazy.
Psycamorean - Nov 17, 2021Okay, white nationalist. @Fear: You should definitely disassociate with white nationalists.
fearUhavemeisenough - Nov 18, 2021What's wrong with being white? You're racist @Psycam?don't get wrong, i'm not white. What's wrong with loving the nation where you live? I currently live outside the place where I was born due to the intolerance of people who want to literally cut off heads for not wearing the clothes, the religion that they want. I am grateful for my new home where I legally acquired my second nationality. I have come to disagree with @Merlyn's ideas, but so far he has been respectful unlike many in this place.
fearUhavemeisenough - Nov 18, 2021@Merlyn, it's terrifying the way these people want to move the Overton window, not just distorting the language, now wanting to normalize ped0ph1l14. All this movement of left politics is diverting to something sick where they want to muzzle those who have a different opinion, and you find them easily, they are the first to let go of insults and labels that are not relevant.
Merlyn - Nov 18, 2021@fear: Hey, what ideas of mine you disagree with? We can always talk and disagree about stuff without coming at each others' throats. If you're talking about this particular topic, I don't take Psycamorean seriously because I know he's disingenuous about all sorts of stuff and when reality contradicts him he just decides reality is not good enough.
Merlyn - Nov 18, 2021I don't know who talked about normalizing pedophilia but yikes! Yeah, they are doing their best to shut everyone up and calling them the classic "ism"s, you disagree with them you're "racist", "sexist", "homophobe" etc.
Psycamorean - Nov 18, 2021@fear: There's nothing wrong with being white, nor loving the nation you live in. I'm white, just look at my avatar. At no point did I say that was wrong. There is something wrong with being a white nationalist because that's based in this false idea that white people are superior, or that other races are less than human and need to be kept out. White nationalists fearmonger about the "savagery" of the unknown. It's been used to incite violence and jingoistic tendencies.
Psycamorean - Nov 18, 2021You shouldn't compare separate cultures and use that as a reasoning to justify acting just as terrible. In the case of the Afghan migrants, they're trying to escape the despotic Taliban regime. The regime that does the terrible things you mentioned. These are not bad people, and they deserve to live rather than be forced into an impossible situation. Legally immigrating is great, good for you. But these people literally don't have the option.
Psycamorean - Nov 18, 2021Refugees and migrants typically don't make the decision to move into a country that does not want them, where they are likely to face persecution and have to completely change their way of life, unless the alternative is worse.
Psycamorean - Nov 18, 2021I don't think Merlyn is respectful at all. He's completely unwilling to actually engage with any ideas that he hasn't already been taught to agree with. Just look at how he responded about me here. Not at all in good faith.
Psycamorean - Nov 18, 2021This idea of censorship from the left is pretty humorous here, as this conversation includes Merlyn who literally blocks anyone with any dissenting thought. We could get into specifics of why you feel like the left is doing this, but just generally, I don't typically hear about the left doing book burnings or trying to ban academic theories they don't understand. Both of these are very recent things the right has been attempting.
Psycamorean - Nov 18, 2021Also, I'd like to know how you think the left is defending pedophilia. As a leftist, I can say that I don't support pedophilia.
Mingthemerciless - Nov 18, 2021Virginia university assistant professor Allyn Walker wants to use "minor attracted person'instead of pedophile to remove the stigma. The repulsive prog uses the pronoun "they" for himself.
Mingthemerciless - Nov 18, 2021Also let's remember that NAMBLA marched in "pride" parades 8n San Francisco until the publicity forced organizers to remove the group.
Mingthemerciless - Nov 18, 2021Allyn Walker was outed in his attempt to destigmatize pedophilia while addressing a San Francisco group no less.
Mingthemerciless - Nov 18, 2021I recall the left was using terms like "intergenerational sex" prior to Mr Walkers effort here.
Mingthemerciless - Nov 18, 2021Pederasty is common in Mr Walkers circles as I'm sure the princess here can attest to.
Mingthemerciless - Nov 18, 2021You dont have ideas princess. You have deflections and propaganda given to you by your keepers. Like way the way everytime a failure of communism is presented you rebrand it as not being communism.
Mingthemerciless - Nov 18, 2021Like I said you're like while e Coyote but without any charm. You just move to the next way you'll try to impose communism when your fellow travellers previous attempts failed. Rinse and repeat.
Merlyn - Nov 18, 2021@Ming: Wow! Didn't know about this Allyn Walker character. And was he (I assume he's a he though I can hardly be blamed if I'm wrong lol) allowed to partake in Pride parades knowingly promoting his "cause". I don't think we should conflate pedophilia with homosexuality, that's pretty wrong but if this really happened, it raises some eyebrows.
Psycamorean - Nov 18, 2021Allyn Walker is a trans person, and we should refer to them as they prefer to be referred to. Also, Allyn Walker is a researcher trying to find ways for pedophiles to get help for their urges before they harm a child. This tends to work better than the method of ignoring the problem and then arresting the pedophile after they've already committed the rape.
Psycamorean - Nov 18, 2021Also, NAMBLA hasn't ever been openly accepted in the gay community ever. It's always a fringe part of the movement that thinks it's okay and they're rightly shunned for it.
Psycamorean - Nov 18, 2021Also pederasty isn't actually that common, but I'm glad they've discovered time travel, since you're either from ancient Greece or Rome, where it was common, or you've just gotten back from seeing the propaganda of the 1950s to paint gays as pedophiles.
Psycamorean - Nov 18, 2021I think Ming has pretty clearly outted himself as homophobic and genuinely, maybe we should get some ToS rules implemented on this website. It can be a community thing to avoid people like Ming.
Merlyn - Nov 18, 2021Excusing pedophiles is as disgusting as one can be. And he's a he, he's ONE person, not TWO. I'm going to call him a "he" since I'm not mentally ill. You should be ashamed, though, of trying to excuse a pedo.
Psycamorean - Nov 18, 2021Where did I excuse pedophiles? You don't know what you're talking about. And they're a they because they decided they want to be.
Merlyn - Nov 18, 2021And you rushed to answer to my post, even though I obviously wasn't asking you, but you didn't answer to the part where I asked if he was allowed to partake at a Pride parade. I'm assumed that he was. That's not a good look at all.
Merlyn - Nov 18, 2021He's ONE person, therefore he can't be "THEY", I don't care what he "decided" to be called, I decided to not be insane. Don't know, the part where you tried to explain how he "tries to find ways for pedophiles to get help for their urges before they harm a child." seems pretty much like you're trying to put him in a good light. And there is no putting in a good light a disgusting pedo, sorry.
Psycamorean - Nov 18, 2021I don't know if they were allowed to partake at a pride parade, I don't think it's relevant. Ming is clearly trying to link the LGBT community with pedophilia, and your limp-wristed pushback against it is not enough.
Merlyn - Nov 18, 2021We shouldn't avoid people like Ming, we should avoid people who are trying to put pedophiles in a good light. Which is, you know, what I always try to do, yet you can't take it. :))
Merlyn - Nov 18, 2021It is relevant. I'm genuinely curious if he was allowed to promote his cause there.
Psycamorean - Nov 18, 2021They can be both singular and plural, and has been since... well before you were born. And also, yeah, it's generally agreed upon that getting sick people help before they act out is a better solution than allowing them to hurt someone and then arrest them after the harm has already been caused. We do it for the mentally ill, and we should do it for pedophiles as they are also legitimately ill.
Merlyn - Nov 18, 2021I never tried to conflate pedophiles with the LGBT community, I know it's a classic trick people have been doing in the past and it's wrong. But, yeah, if this guy was allowed to promote his cause at a Pride parade it's pretty shitty.
Psycamorean - Nov 18, 2021We should avoid, disparage and ostracize bigots, sorry not sorry. You literally don't know a single thing about this aside from what Ming just told you. How easily you're influenced by your confirmation bias. I don't know what you think pride parades are like, but generally, it's not like a conference where people spread their ideas, it's more of just a party.
Merlyn - Nov 18, 2021He's a he. Are they "legitimately ill" or "mentally ill"? You managed to not use that term about them which, again, makes me wonder a bit.
Merlyn - Nov 18, 2021Yeah, sure, it's a party. I don't party with known pedos. Anyone who does is a piece of shit.
Psycamorean - Nov 18, 2021Pedophiles are mentally ill, yes. And again, you should respect people's pronouns. You'd probably get very triggered if we all just started referring to you by she/her.
Psycamorean - Nov 18, 2021Yeah... gays don't all know each other. These are massive events with thousands of people involved.
Merlyn - Nov 18, 2021Ok, so at least you managed to call them "mentally ill", that's something we agree on. He's still a he because we're not supposed to all pretend like we're insane just to accommodate someone.
Merlyn - Nov 18, 2021I didn't said that "gays know each other". My question was if this guy was let to promote his pedo cause at a Pride parade.
Psycamorean - Nov 18, 2021And I said, pride parades aren't typically used to spread ideas and that they're more like giant parties, to which you implied that everyone would even know who Allyn Walker is, when most people who go to pride are strangers to one another. I don't think Allyn Walker was ever a featured guest at a block party.
Merlyn - Nov 18, 2021It's insane to think that one person can be more than... one person. It's lunacy.
Merlyn - Nov 18, 2021I've never been to a Pride parade, I genuinely don't care about them. I don't hate them, I don't like them so I just ignore them. I did see, however, images and clips where people have all these messages about their community. That's what I meant when I said if he was let to promote his cause. Like, was he there without people knowing who he is and what he stands for or was he there with a big cardboard sign promoting pedo messages and stuff like that?
Merlyn - Nov 18, 2021It hasn't been used in this particular context you try to force me to use it. He's a he, end of discussion.
Psycamorean - Nov 18, 2021If they were ever at a pride event promoting pedophilia on a sign, you would've seen it, and they would've been ostracized and made to leave immediately. The LGBT community takes this sort of thing very seriously because of the history of bigots conflating the community with pedophiles.
Psycamorean - Nov 18, 2021So it's not about whether they is singular or plural, so I ask again, what's insane about the concept of pronouns? We all use them.
Merlyn - Nov 18, 2021Nice, trying to say I conflated the LGBT community with pedophiles, never stop being you, dude.
Psycamorean - Nov 18, 2021Are you part of the history of bigots I was referring to? If not, I wasn't saying that you were conflating the two. Ming is, but you're just weirdly antagonistic to anything I say for whatever reason.
fearUhavemeisenough - Nov 19, 2021Sorry @Merlyn, comment space is short and wanted to summarize. What I mean is that we have not always had the same opinion regarding a development of the story or character to give an example, you have always been able to dialogue and do it with respect, not only with me, but with everyone who has an education and brain. I have never seen you attack without first being attacked.
fearUhavemeisenough - Nov 19, 2021Oh, yes! Everything is fine @Psycamorean with the left, if you do not ask someone with studies and small business in Mexico, its president has decided to eliminate clean energy and what they call fuel oil there is a lot of discontent of what this man does who want everything given away.
fearUhavemeisenough - Nov 19, 2021The Mexican president opens borders without cares if they are vaccinated or free of covid and brings them into the country, taking away the opportunities of those legalized or born in Mexico. Of course, they enter Mexico in order to cross the border and smuggle into the United States. This is what the left is like when it charges with the right.
fearUhavemeisenough - Nov 19, 2021Regarding the abuse of minors, they are subnormal taking the flag of the left and the LTGB + community according to these patients. I don't think anyone supports these creeps, just another creep, the outrageous thing is that I don't see any progress canceling these people.
fearUhavemeisenough - Nov 19, 2021Raising their screams and ripping their clothes off like they do with a Jon-bi or a hetrosexual white male actor. And that gentlemen is called hypocrisy of love and I know it because I resigned from a religious group that murdered you with their love hypocrisy.
fearUhavemeisenough - Nov 19, 2021And with regard to immigration I will tell you something that comes from an immigrant, there is a way to do it. You cannot violently enter another country, just because in yours, most of the people are cowards indoctrinated. Unfortunately, if you support this entry by force, not only will you enter, but unfortunately behind you are equally crazy people from whom you are fleeing, they no only will contaminate new countries, they want to contaminate yours future sons.
Psycamorean - Nov 19, 2021So, there's a bit of a language barrier here and I can't be completely sure of what you meant by a lot of this, but I will do my best. The Mexican president is socially progressive, but otherwise an economic nationalist. He's basically the American equivalent of a libertarian. So the plans to eliminate clean energy fall in line with his economic nationalism. I don't think he's very left-wing, maybe he is within the overton window of Mexico, but overall, not so much.
Psycamorean - Nov 19, 2021His COVID response reminds me a ton of basically any conservative leader in the world. This falls in line with his economic nationalism, again. I don't think you should go around with him as an example of a leftist in your mind, while pointing out all the bad things he does that Conservatives also do, in an effort to say the left is bad. All you're really pointing out is that Conservatives are worse, because at least Mexico's left does some socially progressive things.
Psycamorean - Nov 19, 2021I don't know the data for migrants in Mexico, and their effect on the economy. I will say that economists tend to agree that migrants are a net positive for the economy. And given how often I hear about migrants stealing opportunities in places where I *know* that's not the case, I'm pretty sure this is just a standard talking point being repeated without much thought behind it. But if you have statistics and data saying otherwise, show me.
Psycamorean - Nov 19, 2021I would say that 99.99% of the LGBT community doesn't want any association with pedophiles. I don't think you're very engaged with the community if you think this sort of thing isn't pushed back against, or "cancelled". I literally don't know what the ripping clothes off and hypocrisy of love thing means. I assume you're referring to the religious context, but even with that context, it doesn't make any sense. Maybe try again.
Merlyn - Nov 19, 2021@fear: I'll tell you this because you're one of the most reasonable people here and I've done this mistake in the past so I don't want you doing it too. Engaging in dialogue with this guy won't do you no good. As you can see, when the left fails, it's not left, it's actually the right. That's his whole shtick right there? Communism fails and kills tens of millions of people? It wasn't real communism. Stalin was a monster? Doesn't matter, he was a fascist, not a commie.
Psycamorean - Nov 19, 2021And this last bit is just nationalist fearmongering. I don't fear for my culture and... my future sons(?) the way you might. In fact, most migrants assimilate entirely within a few generations, and until then, are less violent and do less crime than the average native person. We actually bring them up to our level of violence, it's crazy. But at least then, they're one of us, right?
Merlyn - Nov 19, 2021Lenin was a murderer? He was not a true communist, either. China is horrible? Doesn't matter, they're capitalistic and nationalists, not communists. That's why I said that when reality doesn't work for him, he just ignores it all the same. All you'll do here is manage to get in a conversation that will go ultimately nowhere. For him, rule no.1 is "When the left fails, it's not actually left, they're actually right-wing".
Psycamorean - Nov 19, 2021Merlyn, look at the policies enacted. That's how you get to my position. I actually never said the Mexican president was right-wing, just that I don't consider him left-wing, without the overton window at play. He could be very left-wing in Mexico. That changes from country to country, that's how the overton window works. But if you look at his policies, he's basically just an American libertarian.
Merlyn - Nov 19, 2021No, that part I got and it's not false. The whole rant about conservatives just showed what you were aiming truly at.
Psycamorean - Nov 19, 2021... Am I wrong that conservatives downplayed the pandemic and held rallies against guidelines, with known outbreaks occurring within those rallies? Or am I wrong that they're economic nationalists?
Mingthemerciless - Nov 19, 2021Rapes in countries like Sweden spiked when "refugees" were allowed in in greater numbers. You don't lie very well princess. Apparently the swedes have to catch up to that level of violence. Spin for us buttercup.
Merlyn - Nov 19, 2021Yeah, that bit was also ridiculous but at this point the dude already told us he thinks open borders are a good idea. I assume he isn't staying anywhere near the border or he wouldn't say stupid shit like that. And Sweden is, indeed, a great example of insane asylum policies. One of the most peaceful and calm countries in Europe is now resembling a Middle East one more and more, at least in the big cities that opened their borders to the "peaceful refugees".
Psycamorean - Nov 19, 2021Sweden is not burning down. This is fake news. Unless you can find data to substantiate your claims, and not just misleading headlines for articles you don't read or a Tim Pool documentary.
Merlyn - Nov 19, 2021Actually it wouldn't matter if he could because the government has been found to repeatedly change the numbers to make it seem like their policy is not a failure. And I've read that in Politico Europe, so you know, it's definitely not a right-wing source. But then again, reality is not a thing for you. :))
Psycamorean - Nov 19, 2021Here's why Ming couldn't send me the data, and why you have to bring up that the data's been changed btw: https://www.government.se/articles/2017/02/facts-about-migration-and-crime-in-sweden/
Merlyn - Nov 19, 2021I can't shit through hundreds of articles right now because, you know, I have a life and it's Friday night. You can search it yourself if you don't want to believe me. I'm not making stuff up anyway. Though I'm sure that's what you'll say.
Merlyn - Nov 19, 2021Merlyn: "Sweden government lies about migration". Psycamorean: "Here's data from said government". Somebody give this guy a Nobel prize.
Psycamorean - Nov 19, 2021What data would be irrefutable to you? This is kind of like how tankies will defend obvious despotic regimes because some of the data supporting that claim comes from the CIA.
Merlyn - Nov 19, 2021Or.. you can look for it yourself. Anyway I couldn't care less about proving anything to you, I was talking to Ming. All I can say is I didn't make stuff up and it's a Politico Europe article.
Merlyn - Nov 19, 2021It wasn't this one but hey, look another one: https://www.politico.eu/article/sweden-bombings-grenade-attacks-violent-reality-undoing-peaceful-self-image-law-and-order/
Merlyn - Nov 19, 2021Now watch Psycamorean doing a mental contortion to say everything in that article is not real. :)))
Psycamorean - Nov 19, 2021Okay, I've read the article and looked through its sources. The article itself admits that crime rates have gone down, it just tries to pivot that they aren't going down fast enough. This is to create the narrative that crime is rampant, when... it's going down.
Psycamorean - Nov 19, 2021The article then talks about a rise in violence in Sweden, but then the article it sources for that rise says that shootings have increased, however violence has decreased, and what's more is that none of the violence is perpetrated by asylum seekers, but rather most of it is perpetrated by people who have at least one foreign parent. These are people at least a generation into assimilation.
Psycamorean - Nov 19, 2021The article then continues its narrative that discussing the rise in violence is a sensitive subject, because it links the rise in crime to failure to assimilate migrants. When, let's be clear, the crime rate is going down, specifically violence is going down, and that violence is perpetrated by those already a generation into assimilation, and not asylum seekers fresh into the country. Also, in this paragraph, the article links to "savemysweden.com".
Psycamorean - Nov 19, 2021While the website seemingly no longer exists, the screencaps I could find show that it's basically an online rag for reactionary, right-wing content about the death of swedish culture. Maybe the person who wrote this is showing her biases. The article then makes the claim that Labor Market Minister Yiva Johansson said that rape cases were going down when in fact they had gone up. She apologized. This is just bolstering the narrative that Sweden is a crime ridden place.
Psycamorean - Nov 19, 2021If you look at how Sweden counts its rape and assault cases, they count every instance as separate, whereas most countries in Europe count all instances as one big offense. So, that could contribute to the rise comparative to the rest of Europe. Which is why comparing stats like this can be problematic. Then the article talks about op-eds the former Prime Minster did. I don't care about these, as he's not in power now. It's his opinion and has no effect on policy.
Psycamorean - Nov 19, 2021This is just the article continuing to bolster its narrative. Then the article outright lies, claiming that the Swedish fact checking website refuses to admit that a terrorist attack was islamic in nature. When in reality, it lists every Islamic terror attack they've had. Which was 2. One that the article listed as a gotcha for some reason, and one prior to that in 2010. The last bit is about the rising violence from the perspective of a cop.
Psycamorean - Nov 19, 2021This again has nothing to do with the asylum seekers, or migrants. It has much more to do with poverty. So, in conclusion, this article creates the narrative that crime is up, violence is up, and it's because of the influx of migrants. Its own sources say that crime is down, violence is down and it's mostly due to poverty within the assimilated lower classes of non-white people in Sweden.
Merlyn - Nov 19, 2021AHAHAHAHA! This is what I'm talking about, @fear. When reality doesn't suit him, Psycamorean just does an 180 and decides "fuck reality! That's not good enough for me" and just goes full on ideology. QED. I'm out, I've proven my point here.
Psycamorean - Nov 19, 2021Okay, prove anything I just said was wrong. All I did was check the sources the article gave, something that the author clearly didn't expect, and something you didn't do. All you've proven is that you're the lowest common denominator that's easily convinced by anything that suits the narrative you've been told is correct by other people. In short, I'm surprised a doctor hasn't pulled the plug on you yet, since you've been braindead for years. Shorter, you're an NPC. Shortest, ya basic.
fearUhavemeisenough - Nov 20, 2021Ok, what a completely ignorant opinion @Psycomean. I have family living in Mexico with whom I talk constantly, crime has increased not only are Mexicans desperate thanks to the fact that their government has withdrawn aid, now they have Colombians robbed houses and selling drugs, there is the positive in allowing irrational migration without adequate selection This is done by votes. Like terrorism in Europe with open borders. There must be a selection.
fearUhavemeisenough - Nov 20, 2021Impossible to start a conversation with someone who does not know what he is talking about and changes the information. It is not the same to deal with the problems in your nation than to add people from outside without registration who easily cross from border to border. There are people who do not want to adapt to the new country and impose their ideas. And no gentlemen if that is what my mother decided to take us from and run away to give us a chance, I don't want those intolerance
Mingthemerciless - Nov 20, 2021Per SVT investigation for swedish news 6 in 10 rapes in sweden were committed by someone not born in Sweden. For rapes by someone unknown to the victim the number rose to 85%. SVT got access to court documents for the report. As Merlyn said the government and pro immigration left in sweden have attempted to minimize those numbers. Spin for us some more princess...poverty not immigration..lol.
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This is it, folks! The moment we've seen multiple media outlets hype up! Jon Kent finally kisses Jay and it is every bit as anticlimactic as I expected. Not only was there no build up to this in previous issues it even comes across as needlessly abrupt in this issue. Every single person who made this possible should be ashamed of themselves. If you try to defend this by saying "you're a baby or a bigot if you don't like it!" go fall in a ditch you overly sensitive little queen. If you enjoyed it because "I wish I'd had this when I was a bi/gay kid growing up because Superman was my favoritest of all TIME!" get a grip. https://youtu.be/IihEy6hhM9o
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Toonstrack - Nov 24, 2021I can almost see the tears emanating from the words on my screen. Seethe, ma'am. Seethe.
Alexillo - Dec 3, 2021Jeez, I get it if people don't like the comic for what it is, but to attack people who can relate to the character is a little too far in my opinion
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So we all knew this was coming and we all knew Tom Taylor is as stupid as they come but we didn't know it was going to be this stupid. I mean, I expected some explanation as to why a character who has NEVER shown any attraction to boys and has been attracted to several girls his age would all of a sudden swing that way. Nope, he just kisses the pink-haired guy and that's it, we're supposed to buy it like we don't even try to think it through. Sorry, that's not how it works, Tom. I get that he wanted to pander to his LGBT twitter crowd but we're not supposed to buy stupid shit like his. If you can justify after this that Jon is bi, you can justify Bruce Wayne or Clark Kent being bi too, it would make as much sense as it did here. Might as we ll go all the way if we're going to be stupid enough to pretend this is fine. Oh, and of course Jon wears a mask, too, never mind that he's floating in the air and he's nowhere near the people on the ground, we don't need logic, just to virtue signal. I have absolutely no doubt a lot of the people rating this over 7.5 are doing it just to show how "open-minded" they are or because they genuinely endorse changing the sexuality of characters to pander to the LGBT community. Some of them even openly acknowledge this. This isn't about comics anymore nor is it about acceptance and tolerance, it's about propaganda and "turning" people. Which is, ironically, exactly what happened to Jon in this issue. Social modelling at its best. P.S.: Called it, the tumblr crowd is here. P.P.S.: Btw, I just realized, Tom Taylor has zero knowledge of comics. Jon isn't the first of its kind, half-kryptonian, half-human, Conner Kent was. But who cares about comic characters when propaganda is all that matters, right? more
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Mingthemerciless - Nov 16, 2021Hazard a guess and say a super powered grandson of kal el will be a bit of a stretch for DC at this point?
Merlyn - Nov 16, 2021Honestly I'm much more concerned about Jon's character. You can survive a butchering of the character once (Bendis) but can you survive a second one, what Taylor does to him now? I don't think so. At this point I hope they'll pull a de-aging comicbook storyline where he just reverts back to the age he would normally have without Bendis and just erase everything Taylor did to him. Just bring back the wide-eyed, Tomasi version of the character, without all of Taylor's ideological burdens.
Mingthemerciless - Nov 16, 2021I think after the novelty wears off this title will sputter out. It's pretty clear Bendis was told to rapidly age the character likely more for 5G plans than for Taylor's social engineering.
Merlyn - Nov 16, 2021Well, this is a maxi-series, so there are still 7 issues, plenty of time to ruin Jon even more. Taylor will turn him into Greta Thunberg two issues from now. After that, DC will launch a one-shot with Damian trying to recapture the Super Sons magic. I think that's far gone by now.
Mingthemerciless - Nov 16, 2021I actually didnt like Damian at first the character grew on me. Where he became a future version of batman is when the character clicked for me.
Mingthemerciless - Nov 16, 2021Lol..thunberg "how dare you". Hlobal warming Jon makes no sense because his dad has access to technology that that literally fabricates environments.
Merlyn - Nov 16, 2021"Making sense" isn't an issue for Taylor, propaganda is. And honestly it's just partially his fault. His fanbase is to blame because they accept idiotic stuff just for the sake of their cause. They don't ask for better so he doesn't try. He is capable of better writing but he knows his idiotic fanbase will accept his shit, regardless of how little it makes sense.
Mingthemerciless - Nov 16, 2021No question Taylor is concerned with activism here. Jon's metamorphosis into a switch hitter is indicative of that.
Mingthemerciless - Nov 16, 2021Taylor's pretty much checking all prog boxes with this title global warming anti 2A "refugees..wink wink" Jon's now consonant person.
Mingthemerciless - Nov 16, 2021I'm sure Taylor would love to work a vaccination angle that always works up the progs.
Mingthemerciless - Nov 16, 2021Funnily enough Superman is currently in a book with authority and it's a much better read than Taylor's hamfisted writing here. Which again makes one ask...what is Taylor's priority here?
Merlyn - Nov 16, 2021Propaganda. Don't forget, we also have an upcoming confrontation with Lex Luthor. You just know that after the refugees propaganda (check), the LGBT propaganda (check), the climate strike propaganda (future check), burn capitalism down is going to be his next issue. This is all Taylor cares about. And he just loves to propagandize through such a powerful character as Superman, who people love.
Merlyn - Nov 16, 2021Unfortunately this is a bastardization of the character and at some point you have to realize when something is changed beyond any recognition that it's just twisted into something else entirely. This, right here, isn't Superman. It's Tom Taylor masquerading as Superman. And I have zero interest in a moron like Taylor who believes he knows what's best for the world I live in.
SenpaifenixJäger - Nov 17, 2021Did Jon stop killing trees to do his environmental propaganda to kiss the boy who came out of nowhere? I don't know, this comic has seemed so boring to me almost as if it was I'm not Starfire. Jon is character come of a soap opera of rosa de Guadalupe. The Jon's boyfriend looks a bit like the Devon Erickson.
Hydro-Man - Nov 17, 2021Guys, I’m going to let you in on a little secret. Gather ‘round… You ready? STOP. BUYING. IT. If you aren’t happy on the direction of the book, bitching about it online after you already BOUGHT it solves nothing. Nobody cares what you think. Nobody cares what I think. They care what we buy. You stop buying, your LCS stops ordering, the publisher takes notice. See All-New Marvel now. Don’t fool yourselves into thinking you’re sticking it to DC by buying & bitching. Stop buying.
Mingthemerciless - Nov 17, 2021So succinctly Hydro if we are not talking about something you agree with then we should be silent? No thanks. The motivations of the writer are valid to discuss. And I've never bought a copy of the book so your advice is useless to me.
Merlyn - Nov 17, 2021@Hydro-Man: If "nobody cares what we think" why are all these morons here so butthurt about it? That alone makes it worth it. I get what you're saying and you are partially right. All the same, I don't want to ignore something when I consider it wrong. And this is wrong on all levels. Superman, one of the best characters in comic history is being turned in a puppet propaganda tool by an idiotic writer.
Merlyn - Nov 17, 2021I don't want to see that. I find it wrong and I want to be able to say it. Because in case you missed the memo we're allowed to say less and less what we don't like in the name of "tolerance", "acceptance" and PC. All the while, the people who ask us to shut up put their fists in other people's mouths, sometimes even literally. So yeah, I feel like we shouldn't cave in to this. Again, I get your point, sales are what matter most but sometimes it's about more than that.
Hydro-Man - Nov 17, 2021@Ming I don’t like the new direction just as you don’t . All I’m saying is the only way to affect change is to not buy the book. If you’re not buying the book (like you say), nothing I wrote should rile you up. We agree. @Merlyn Yes, you can get butthurt responses from people by posting negative reviews of the book. If that’s your goal, keep on trucking. If you want change… stop buying it. Remember how All-New Marvel Now ended? Retailers screaming at the publisher? That’s how we win.
Hydro-Man - Nov 17, 2021Merlyn, I’m not at all against you speaking out. You’re right. People are chomping at the bit to call you all kinds of “-ist†for not thinking like they do. Speak your mind. But you’ll be better if you can do that without supporting something that makes you upset. When I told my LCS the only DC book I wanted this week was Batman, instead of asking why I was down to one book, he said “ok.†Cuz he knows what’s happening. I feel worse for him than anyone but hopefully things turn around.
Mingthemerciless - Nov 17, 2021I get what you're saying Hydro. And yes sales talk but lately DC has been ignoring poor sales on some titles too.
Merlyn - Nov 17, 2021I'd argue that while, yes, the sales have been a huge factor and ultimately the main factor in Marvel dropping that initiative, the online backlash was a big factor too. People were literally laughing at Marvel and making fun of them online and that hurt the brand. So yes, not buying these books is a good step towards what we both want. Laughing at them for their stupidity is another one. I'm probably going to drop this book very soon so I'll heed your advice soon enough, but not just yet.
Hydro-Man - Nov 17, 2021Glad we are in closer agreement but sad that we’re each at this point over something that once meant so much to us. Oh well… If New 52 or All-New Marvel Now taught me anything, it’s that I can cut them off if I need to. While they wait for that new base of Twitter likes to translate into sales (that never will), I’ll just dive into my archive of library editions.
Mingthemerciless - Nov 17, 2021I think theres value to what you said with sales Hydro although DC is very stubborn with some titles that are poor sellers. Ridley's idea of batman for example is the only bat title that falls out of the top 50 yet they're keeping it around. Obviously moving the character with all the Fox family to New Yirk with #6 is DC blinked and didn't scrap top seller BruceBatman which I'm sure was the original plan.
Merlyn - Nov 17, 2021Call me crazy but I didn't have everything on New52 like I did with All-New All-Different. There were some good titles, too.
SenpaifenixJäger - Nov 17, 2021And what makes you suppose that I am buying this thing? and immediately the gag law. Everyone has the right to have an opinion, those who like it, good for them and welcome their reasons why they like it and those of us who don't like this, why shut up? Long live freedom of expression for everyone.
SenpaifenixJäger - Nov 17, 2021And I also agree with Merlyn, I don't know what happened, the new 52 had better comics. Why not leave something for everyone's taste without snatching good comics from us? They just infantilized everything and are giving more importance to the color of the skin or the sexuality of the characters.
Hydro-Man - Nov 17, 2021@Ming Just give it time. It’s an odd sales cycle: publisher > distributor > end-buyer. End-buyer response will catch up to them eventually. Speculators will be all over Son of Kal-El #5 so it’s a bad example. This issue notwithstanding, outside of Batman, you see anybody clamoring for DC at your LCS? Christ, I’m seeing more copies of Moon Knight than just about every DC book outside of Batman.
Hydro-Man - Nov 17, 2021@Merlyn I gave New52 a shot. I give a lot of things a shot! Even this title, despite the writing being on the wall early on. Can’t say I look back fondly on New52. I feel like for most of it, my pull list was down to Batman and Justice League.
Merlyn - Nov 17, 2021Hey, Moon Knight is pretty good. I'm no fan of Jed MacKay but I can admit that's a good book. Yeah, Batman was good, JL was good, I also liked RHATO, Red Lanterns, Talon, smaller series. Most of the big main series were bad, you're right. But I still think New52 was better than what DC is doing right now.
Hydro-Man - Nov 17, 2021Lol Hey, I’m not crapping on Moon Knight. Just pointing out Moon Knight is… Moon Knight. A few years (or even months) back, would you expect there to be a higher demand for Moon Knight than most of DC’s core characters? Reminds me of when Rebirth launched and there was greater interest in Green Arrow than core Marvel characters.
Mingthemerciless - Nov 20, 2021Hydro I just read the last issue of son of kal el only sold 35K and action even less. I think I owe you an apology in a year this stupidity of DCs is likely to be at an end.
Merlyn - Nov 20, 2021Well, Action selling less is pretty concerning to me. Action is much better. I get that this issue probably sold well because of the obvious speculators, but still, the fact that it sold better then Action might mean that DC will interpret the situation as in that the current direction, with Jon Kent Superman, is a good one. That doesn't sound like very good news to me.
Toonstrack - Nov 24, 2021Connor Kent is a clone, so he is obviously not being counted as a genuine half breed. But then again this entire review is pure copium so why expect actual logic? At least your Eternals review was good
Merlyn - Nov 24, 2021But he is a half breed, it doesn't matter how he was conceived, so Jon is not the first of his kind. No, this entire reviews makes sense, you're just butthurt about it. Yes, I like Eternals, it's a very good comic. I'd like for this one to be like that but unfortunately Tom Taylor has other interests here rather than good storytelling.
Toonstrack - Nov 24, 2021It does matter how he is conceived. Hes not a natural birth or a natural living thing, hes artificial. This is so obvious. I mean I knew what you were gonna rate this book before it even came out, that doesnt surprise me but at least use some logic
Merlyn - Nov 24, 2021It wasn't talked at all about that. The phrase was "you are the first of your kind". That's just not true, it just isn't no matter how desperate you are to defend Taylor. You're the one who rejects logic in a pathetic attempt to defend a writer you like. Yeah, I'm going to rate shitty books that don't make sense pretty low. Expect that trend to continue.
Toonstrack - Nov 24, 2021You quoting it makes your point even weaker. You MIGHT have something if he said you're the first half breed. But his "kind" is a natural born, human/kryptonian hybrid. And he's the first. This aint even defense of Taylor, its basic reading ability.he is the first time a human and a kryptonian bore a child. Your hate boner for Taylor determines the rating more than actual quality. Like I said, you are predictable at least, but you're known for these BS "criticisms" and this is no exception.
Merlyn - Nov 24, 2021Why does his "kind" need to be a natural born? Since when did you invent this rule? Are you so desperate to defend Taylor that you just invent stuff? I'm not the only one pointing this out, btw. I've seen this on several other comic sites. So a lot of people have seen this but I guess they're not all pathetic fanboys like you. I've already rated the comic badly before I added that because it was a shitty comic so this has nothing to do with that.
Merlyn - Nov 24, 2021The fact that you and other losers here who can't take the fact that other people don't like what you like screech like crazies doesn't make the criticism wrong. You just can't deal with it. Learn to. I'm not about to make it any easier for any of you, you can be sure of that.
Merlyn - Nov 24, 2021Comic books are full of clones who have had families, children etc. Conner is no exception to that.
Toonstrack - Nov 24, 2021You typed a lot to try and make sense of a nonsensical argument. No one said it "needed" to he naturak born but thats what he is, and he is the first of that kind. This literally isn't hard my guy. Any way you slice it. He is the first of his kind. His kind is a being born of a kryptionian and human. Not in a test tube. Born. Anyone else saying this nonsense is wrong too. Just like how Damian is the son of batman. Because he's his bio son.
Merlyn - Nov 24, 2021But the boyfriend didn't specify about "born", that's your obsession you keep coming up with because you're desperately trying to pull at something that isn't there just to defend Taylor. He isn't the first of his kind.
Merlyn - Nov 24, 2021"There aren't a lot of half-kryptonian, half-human people running around", "You're the first one. You're the only one". I just literally quoted the book. Not a single mention about him being born or not, it's just about being half-human, half-kryptonian. Stop embarrasing yourself to defend Taylor. He just didn't do his homework and winged it. It's not up to you to clean up his mess.
Merlyn - Nov 24, 2021"No one said he needed to be natural born" YOU JUST DID, repeatedely so. Dude, you're losing it, get a grip. :))
Merlyn - Nov 24, 2021"Hes not a natural birth or a natural living thing" Your quote. Are you ok, seriously? You don't need to WIN here, I admitted when I was wrong on that Black Manta issue, you can admit too. I won't take it in your face or something. Just stop.
Toonstrack - Nov 25, 2021Wow you're still trying. This is sad dude. You keep coming back and adding more because you are realizing how bad of a point this is. Hes the first of his kind. Its not hard. If I say Damian is the first son of Batman, I am not wrong to say that because he IS the first. If you want to be pedantic you can say Dick is the first but dick isnt his real son. It's the same with this.
Toonstrack - Nov 25, 2021Not to mention that Connor is currently dead/in another universe if you're reading Suicide Squad, there are actually 2 Connors and both of them aren't there so it tracks. This isnt tom messing up or me, its you.
Merlyn - Nov 25, 2021I don't know if you really are this idiotic or you just don't want to admit you botched this one badly. For your sake, I hope it's the second. You've contradicted yourself numerous times and I just proved it to you. I can't do any more than that, when I'm proving you with YOUR words AND with the LITERAL QUOTES and you still ignore it, you're either very stupid or just insane.
Merlyn - Nov 25, 2021No, Conner isn't dead. That's Match. Conner is alive, he's with Young Justice. He JUST appeared in that book. Get your shit together and stop embarrassing yourself. This just proves you have NO IDEA what you're talking about and just keep adding more shit to the wall in your desperation to defend Taylor and your poor reasoning.
Merlyn - Nov 25, 2021Conner is the FIRST of his kind because he's the FIRST being with half-human, half-kryptonian. Literally what the pink-haired dude was talking about. Didn't talk about being born AND YOU EVEN ADMITTED THIS. Just fucking say, "I was wrong, whatever", stop being such a baby. :)))
Toonstrack - Nov 25, 2021Those quotes dont even contradict. He doesn't have to be a natural born to he the first of his kind, because Connor is a clone. Clones are never counted as genuine genetic samples in biology if a real one presents itself. However, the statement would still be correct because he is still the first of his kind in regards to his birth. This isnt hard my guy.
Toonstrack - Nov 25, 2021Also, Match was originally shown as another Connor but its revealed he's a clone and there are many like him which lends itself even more to what I'm saying. I can admit I haven't read young justice in ages and zi thought they were in another dimension or something. Either way my point still stands. Tom isn't wrong to call Jon the first of his kind any way you slice it. Clones don't count period. It seems you aren't willing to be convinced of this for some reason.
Toonstrack - Nov 25, 2021Connor is a copy, not the original. Just like a print of art or a document reproduction wouldn't count as an original, Connor doesn't either because he's a copy. Hes literally not the first anything because his genes are literally just copies of the original. I really don't know what else to say to make this clear
Merlyn - Nov 25, 2021Clones don't count lol? Have you been reading comics since yesterday? Taylor botched this one, stop this. And Conner isn't a clone like Match is, your logic here is just wrong. Match is a clone of Superboy, Conner isn't a clone of anyone else before him. He's not a copy, a copy of whom? He's a combination between Clark and Lex, he isn't a copy of anything, why do you insist in this stupidity? You do realize that in your desperation you are just proving me right even more?
Toonstrack - Nov 25, 2021His DNA is not original. Hes a combination of genes copied directly from Lex, and genes copied directly from Superman. Hes a copy. Match is a copy of him and there are many others. Like prints on a press run. None of them are original. It seems you are adamant about not admitting you're wrong on this so I see no point in continuing. I dont wanna go in circles here.
Merlyn - Nov 25, 2021Dude, a copy means you've replicated something. Conner ISN'T a copy, he's a COMBINATION of Clark and Lex. Search the dictionary for what "copy" means. Match is a copy, yes, he's Conner's copy. Conner is no one's copy. Ergo, he is the first half-human, half-kryptonian, not Jon. I am not wrong so yeah, I'm not going to admit I'm wrong when I'm not. You know when I was wrong on Black Manta I admitted as much. Seems like you're not man enough to do the same. No surprise there, honestly.
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I honestly went into this hoping that I would enjoy it. It has become evident that Taylor's virtue signaling and his desire to be politically correct have taken priority over all else, sadly. Five issues in and it has been absolute politically motivated trash so far.
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Welp, Tom Taylor managed to deliver the final death blow to one of the most beloved new characters in recent memory. Hope all that dopamine from all the virtue signaling was worth it, these sociopaths never learn the tried and true adage, “get woke, go brokeâ€
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