Batman: Urban Legends #6

Eu concordo com você, embora esperasse algo mais emocionante do final de Zdarky. Mas sobre Tim, ele é horrível.

Eu esperava que o Jason se entregasse para a policia no fim, mas no fim foi novamente passado o pano que ele matou.

???? Isso não faz sentido, Zdarsky fez isso com o Demolidor, mas aqui está outra coisa.

Don't you have to go be stupid somewhere else?

@Kaseladen: Ignore him, he always does this, morons like him are better off ignored, it's killing them that no one gives them the attention they crave, believe me.

@merlyn the irony.

The irony being that you always come to comment on my reviews even if I don't really care about what you have to say? Yeah, that's ironic, you're right.

Yea thats exactly what I'm saying XD.

@Toonstrack: Merlyn is predictable as always. He's really heated that I'm making fun of his favorite pedophile.

@Kaseladen Impossible, who is an idiot is an idiot at all times, and everywhere, and this guy and Saltyredhoodfans are idiots even when he sleeps. Ignore them.

This guy gets it.

Nah, Chip Zdarsky is definitely not the best writer Red Hood has ever had, he didn't give a solid story was good but not the best, I'm not denying Zdarsky's ability but Lost Days, Under the Hood were better stories than this one.

@M. Grayson: You're right. Also, Lobdell's run was better than Zdarsky's Red Hood. Now watch these guys having a meltdown over mentioning Lobdell. :))

Damn, Merlyn really has a parasocial relationship with sex predators, huh?

@Merlyn Leaving aside Lobdell's perversions and my wishes that he receive a just punishment for his wickedness. Lobdell had great ideas, but sometimes his writing was lazy. Zdarsky did a good job as a writer, but his predilection was more towards Batman, No Zdarsky hasn't been the best thing that has happened to Red Hood, nor the worst, Judd Winick made two great classics, Geoff Johns despite some ramblings he also did very well. Like do Zdarsky

Lobdell gave Red Hood incredible things, All-Cast, resurrecting Willis was a good idea, but was not well managed(Taylor copied that idea with Nightwing and his half sister) Solitary, the Untitled were good characters, however they could have a better development.

@LeiaFavaz: I agree with your assessment about Lobdell, I didn't say he's Alan Moore or something, just that he got Jason and he took him in a good direction. Very good analysis, I mostly agree with it.

Je suis d’accord avec toi, s’ils le prennent comme canon est une histoire très médiocre par manque d’information, pas par l’écriture qui était bonne. Mais c’est DC n’attendez pas beaucoup d’eux actuellement médiocrité est leur drapeau.

No mola la fantasia del Bruce, matar al Joker y ver feliz a Jason cuando el tío ni siquiera puede abrazarlo, pero eso es una mierda por completo. Un punto fue ver a Jason haciéndola bien como detective y organizando al clan para salvar a Bruce. Esperaba algo mejor al final pero esta bien, Despues de Judd ha sido la mejor narrativa, aunque prefiero el crecimiento que le da Lobdell que es algo que a este señor Zdarsky le pasa por alto, para haber sido periodista le falta informarse eh!

@Dalí igual puede ser en sus fantasias mas salvajes, pero siempre ha habido una constante de que Bruce quiere más que nada a sus padres vivo. Sin embargo se dice que el dolor mas grande es el de perder a un hijo, tal vez ahora entiendio lo que recupero.

No es fuera de canon, esto a pie a la continuación de la historia de Red Hood en Task Force Z.

I don't think the idea was that Batman is allergic to happiness, it was more like Cheer gave him a false taste of a happy life with his Bat-family and it was ripped from him. That has to hurt. But I agree that Batman's happy life would have included his family and I'm also a bit sketchy about the Joker thing.

But I guess the idea was that even though Jason always blamed Bruce for not killing the clown, Zdarsky wanted to show us that deep down Bruce wanted to do it but he just can't let himself fall that way. I also didn't like the dropping the guns thing. And sebastiano is right, unfortunately DC wants this and the disgusting Tim thing to be canon. I really don't get why they're trying so hard to annoy the fans.

@Merlyn if you are right as much as allergy no, I think it was the approach of father and son relationship that Zdarsky commented in an interview, this part is a welcome change, unconvincing with respect to the canon, but as always they wipe their butt with the canon.

@Did you watch any of the Titans episodes that were released today? What do you think about their portrayal of Jason?

Yes I saw it, the series has never really made me good, I only saw it when Jay came out, and let me tell you that the first chapter of season 3 felt so empty

Many things are wrong with Jason, one has only taken the negative of the character, and the use of drugs! go! after your mother died of drugs? the way he was judging Jason was awful. Currant's performance has always struck me as exaggerated.

For a kid, Curran Walters is pretty good. But the writers definitely made Jason A LOT worse than in the comics. And they rushed the Red Hood story. I kinda liked the first season and the first half of the second but kept hoping it would get better. Instead it got worse and worse.

Also, just saw the solicits for the next months. They replaced Red Hood's guns with knives and swords. So yeah, Zdarsky's decision is in-continuity.

DC seems to be doing baby comics before long until Slade is going to be a Chuck Norris guy, like he can't kill someone with a sword or knife. But if they know how to design fights it might not be so bad. Now if Jason kills someone, then where was the point. You heard about the annual Nightwing. Fuck Taylor now he's going to use Jason to attract audiences to Nightwing

Currant I think he does not do so bad, but as you say the writers urged him to transform it into Red Hood, if it weren't for those who voted that he should not die then they killed Donna.

I don't know what's up with the annual from Taylor. I mean, I'm not happy about it since I don't like Taylor but I haven't read the solicits for it. What, he makes Jason kill again?

I don't think they will at the moment, but they are going to take out some garbage to put Jason aside like they usually do, you know the painting, the family gatherings etc. Eventually in a few years they will return to the same thing, Jason will kill someone.

Star lord isn't bisexual, he wasn't on the pride book listing Al gays of Marvel universe. Writes have to stop writing bad ganfic

I hate they put Jason as an obedient pet, this is not Jason. And why lay down his arms and use the bat symbol again.

There are many things that have bothered me about Zdarsky since I started this comic, if it is an Elsword it is fine, but if they do it canon this is rubbish. Not even a little bit of Jason's growth was reported.

Yeah, as much as people like to give Lobdell shit he did much better work on the character than the likes of Morrison or Zdarsky. Say what you want about the guy but he put him in the right direction and Zdarsky undid a lot of that. I'm afraid that because Tynion is leaving Batman (THANK GOD!), Zdarsky is one of the candidates for writing Batman. Based on what we've seen here, not sure I like the prospect of that.

Tim Drake is my favourite Robin. I was there when he worked out Bruce is Batman and that gorgeous Breygogle art. I was there for his first solo series. He is the most alike to Bruce in both intellect and prosecution of the mission. He or Damian deserve the mantle of the bat when Bruce can no longer carry it. This isn't Tim Drake. This is a hollow shell for an activist writer to use for nothing more than propaganda. There was no reason at all to to do this to Tim Drake. No credible reason.

If this is canon then I'm dumping DC until it dumps this idiocy.

But on a positive note Tynion is leaving Batman after 117. Given DCs current penchant for shooting itself in the face my bet is they'll do a Tomasi with a full in writer till 2022 then give it to Ridley to finally get rid of Bruce. Or give it to Bendis? It's like asking the reader do you want ketchup or mustard with with your turd sandwich?

Yeah, I'm afraid of Ridley or Tom Taylor myself as the next Batman writers. Bendis would be a pretty bad call, too. Honestly, DC deserves the bankruptcy that'll come to them. They disrespect all their beloved characters constantly.

Tim Drake is doomed forever.

I think you're right DC deserves to fail at this point. These kinds of unforced errors and almost callous disregard for beloved characters and their fans is not without consequence. Heck I ll hold my nose and settle for Taylor I'd he can stop this level of rot.

Maybe theres something I'm missing with this apparent death wish of DCs?

Tom Taylor would definitely not stop this level of rot, keep that guy as far away from Batman as possible. I don't know if you're familiar with his twitter but he's pretty insane with his politics and he never stops inserting them in his books. Also, I don't think he likes Batman if his Nightwing is any indication, he thinks Bruce is "privileged" and doesn't help people in his Bruce Wayne persona, which is completely false. No thank you to all of Taylor's crap.

To be honest most of these guys are lefties it's just a matter of how much of their politics they want to throw into their books. It's pretty clear DC has a talent roster problem which again reflects their money woes.

Maybe it's time to scout Dark Horse or Dynamite for talent?

I think they may need to look outside the comic medium. Like they did with Ridley who wasn't into comics. The idea to reach out beyond regular comic writers was good, it was the writer himself that was the problem. Batman deserves better writers than what the industry has to offer at this moment.

But they can't bring in people from outside the industry. The lady who wrote this story. Has only written the robin eternal story from future state and the penguin back up in detective comics. She has no idea what's she's doing...... which is quite clear when she makes Tim bi for no reason, other then there are to many straight white males in the bar family lol

They brought in Ridley who wasn't writing comics at the time. Yeah, Meghan Fitzmartin is quite crazy indeed.

Merlyn: "Woman wrote comic I don't like, she must be crazy." That's EXACTLY the sexism and bigotry I've come to expect from you based on your "reviews".

Ok. Move on or I'll block you.

Loafy trophy ...... well in the 3rd comic she ever wrote. By the way who gets to start off their writing career at dc on batbooks? Like any idea of sexism and the patriarchy running things goes right out the window. When you realize a woman, who's never written comics, got to make robin bi sexual as literally the 3rd issue she's ever written in comics.......... it's almost as if she's a sjw with a crazy agenda and she has no good ideas on what to write.

Imagine being giving the keys to Gotham and being allowed to write Tim drake, and literally your first in cannon story is " Tim drake is bi " ....... you have no imamgination and you are a shit writer. That's what that story tells me. It's not even a well written story. But it did its job and got her named plastered across twitter and google for 2 days. While better stories went unnoticed because they didn't make someone gay , or black ( I am Batman looking at you and not selling in the top 50 )

I know the usual defense is "hey a lot of people never show any sign of being this way then one day declare they are" but we have the benefit of actually knowing what Tim Drake thinks because there's slabs of his thoughts written already. Can anyone direct me to an issue where Tim has thought about being sexually attracted to other males. Still want to defend the womans writing?

@Batmanaholic: She is a sjw with a crazy agenda. Please ignore that idiot. He really doesn't deserve the effort for such a lengthy answer. It's not the first time he comes to reply on my reviews and cry that I don't like what he does. If he does it one more time, he's not going to get the chance to do it again in the future.

Merlyn you're right. I just read an interview with this writer and she said this was the "only" story she could write for Tim Drake. She apparently sat on her apartment floor for full 2 minutes in bliss when editorial approved it. And guess her pushed to get it approved? Our buddy Tynion.

Tynion is leaving Batman in 6 issues. Hes leaving the Batcerse a complete mess where even Bruce Wayne is teetering on being thrown off his own book. Well done DC. Either fix this or you've lost this once loyal fan and from what I see..I'm not in the minority.

It doesn't surprise one bit that Tynion was the one that approved. What's annoying is that he always deemed himself as someone who loved the Bat-family and who strived to respect those characters. To say that and then disrespect the character like this is just shameless on his part.

And yeah, it's obvious this was a self-insert for the character, this is where we are, loony lefties are self-inserting themselves in comics and completely changing the characters we love to the point where they're antithetic to whom they were for all of their history. As a DC fan it just angers me that we're supposed to just accept this. I, for one, sure am not.

The problem is that writers like Tynion or Fitzmartin lack the talent to make people read their stories. They just lack it. They won't be remembered for great storylines, nor will they be remembered for the characters they create. 10 years from now no one will remember Punchline, Clownhunter, Miracle Molly or Ghostmaker, they don't like them very much now. So they can't remain in history by their talent.

What they CAN do though, is to grab headlines now by changing the sexuality/race/sex of the characters and hope that the fans are tolerant enough to let it go and they will be remembered as the writers to "made X character gay", "made X character black" etc. That's all it is, they lack talent and so they make up for it by changing the characters until they don't resemble who they were. It's disrespectful to the fans and it's disrespectful to the writers who worked on those characters before.

I'm one degree out from completely ditching DC and Marvel comics so stupidly, they've reduced Tim to nothing with this sloppy conversion into some kind of bad soap opera. Now Jason without guns, maybe they will put him to sell cookies with the scouting girls.

This thread is a laugh riot. Did I stumble into the incel convention? Some of my favorite parts: - "Writers like Tynion lack talent" - Merlyn on 2021 Best Writer Eisner Award winner James Tynion IV -"Either fix this or lose a once loyal fan" - Mingthemerciless, don't let the door hit you on the way out - "any idea of sexism and the patriarchy running things goes right out the window" - Batmanaholic, saying sexism doesn't exist because a woman wrote the 5th most popular Batman comic this month

Dear loafy Trophy....... prove to me how the comic industry is sexist against woman, when woman are being hired with zero. As in absolutely no experience in writing comics, and yes getting to be in a top 10 dc comic for the month (because even if it's the 5th best selling Batman book, it outsells almost everything else dc makes ) And gets to make ridiculous character changes, I'm the 3rd story she's ever written for the company. Please explain to me how their is a lot of sexism at dc?

Usually people have to have written a comic for dark horse or image or boom and actually have proof you can write comics, before your handed a job writing for the bar family. She was a back up writer on supernatural? That's my point bud, prove me wrong. Show me the sexism at dc comics or marvel. When woman are getting jobs while being under qualified for them? And not because she's a woman, because she's never written a comic in her life before future state robin eternal (which wasn't half bad )

"Starvation doesn't exist bc I just ate" is basically what you just said. I mean, maybe read or listen to some of the stories that women have told about Scott Lobdell or Warren Ellis. Christ, you take this like a personal attack when all it really is is an acknowledgement of a problem. It's hilarious that you think she's underqualified because she's written on Supernatural and co-wrote the most recent DCAU movie. These type of gigs are almost always how writers get their start in comics too.

She's writing the backup to the 22nd best selling title that DC put out in June according to Comichron. And to think she was the sole decider in a "character change" shows a remarkable amount of naivety. Also the character hasn't changed. He's still Tim, he still has the same backstory and relationships with the Bat-family. He's smart and determined and a leader. He didn't become something radically different just bc now he might be interested in men.

Loafy takes a break for spouting too much crap and coming here to provoke people after being specifically told to stop.

Loafy....... talking about things that happens 10-15 years ago with Warren Ellis . Is not talking about the current state of the industry. And yes she pitched a shit story and dc editorial also sucks for approving it....... Although dc editorial board will approve any book or story idea that will get them 15 seconds of headlines on twitter or google. And no Tim's not the same..... his new partner. " who's been training aswell" beat up as many guys as he did in the fight scene

I'll let him see this message though and I'll block him after. I'm nice like that.

So no Tim fighting skills have apparently evaporated to the level of his new boyfriend. So no he's not the same character. He's now according to this story, about the same fighting level as his friend Bernard is lol.

When an essentially brand new comics writer in a major character for a publisher says the "only" story she could write about Tim Deake is one that makes him bisexual then your dealing with activism not good story telling. When same writer says she spent 2 minutes on the floor of her apartment in joy that her story was approved by DC editorial then you're dealing with an activist with an agenda. No this isn't the same Tim Drake this is now an avatar for activists.

Mist reviews concentrate on zdarskys Redhood story and most readers were buying it for that not the tack on ones. So sales really reflect that MIT yheTim Drake piece. Purely anectforal but look at the reviews here fir example...the Deake story is ranked lowest.

My bet is if zdarskys output is not replaced with an equally popular main story this titles sales will slip. I know myself and many others are ready to drop this and most DC titles at this point. DC may believe it can replace a haemorraghing of readers with woke basement dwellers like our loaf boy here but DC is kidding itself.

However if loaf or anyone else can direct me to an issue before this arc where Drake expressed an attraction to other males U ll gladly review it. Since this was the "only"story (her words not mine) then there must be a set up previously. Otherwise we re dealing with activism masquerading as storytelling.

Merlyn, no one gives a single shit about you. Batmanaholic, so we're just gonna ignore that Tim saves Bernard before they fight off the rest of the attackers together? And a two page spread of Tim and Bernard easily handily a group of bad guys must be evidence he can't fight anymore I guess? I mean I'm baffled at how you come to these nonexistent conclusions, but I can't imagine being so fragile you think a character's sexuality being explored is the end of the world, so.....

Lol didnt take much to get old loaf triggered again.."Christ..you take this like a personal attack"...

Ming - You must really dislike the work of Jack Kirby, Stan Lee, Dennis O'Neil and like every other comic writer ever that wrote anything with even a smidge of "activism." Also imagine how sad you must be to turn someone else's happiness that their story pitch was actually picked up into a diatribe against "woke activism" or some nonsense. I mean god forbid there be a coming of age story about one of the 4 white, male Robins exploring his feelings for the opposite sex. BTW - google TimKon.

But speaking of nonexistent have you come up with any references by Tim Drake prior to this arc where he has indicated he is sexually attracted to other males? Since this was the "only" story this writer could write about him there must be some indication. You are defending her decision to do this so I assume you have the receipts?

https://www.dcuniverseinfinite.com/news/robin-superboy-greatest-teen-romance-never-was/

Also I’m not sure how a 16-17 year old going through puberty can’t become interested in men. Maybe talk to someone who’s Bi or gay and you might learn some perspective.

Your link is to an editorial where a writer wishes Conner and Tim's friendship had become sexual. Kind if creepy wanting to see teenage boys get it in but that's your writer. So do you have an issue where expresses sexual attraction to other makes or not? I can wait...

Did you have a stroke while typing? I can barely understand any of that drivel. You also seem to have a poor understanding of what bisexual is and I’m really not sure how a teenage boy crushing on another teenage boy is creepy. Do you feel that way about Tim’s relationship with Stephanie too?

Loafy Trophy - Pay no mind to them. These NPCs had screaming fits because I made fun of some Youtube pedophiles that they worship.

The only one that's having a stroke seems be the writer of the editorial you linked to as he wishes two teenaged boys would go at it. Is that kind of thing appealing to you?

Pedo...you're asking your fellow stalker to pay no mind to us? You guys cant help it. It's what you do.

EVSHiresPedos - A+ on the name choice. Ming - I mean the writer of that editorial just ships them and provides a lot of panels that show Tim having feelings for Conner. If you want to intentionally misconstrue and call it "two teenaged boys going at it" by all means go ahead but it's pretty obvious what you're trying to do. Like I asked earlier, would you refer to Tim and Steph's flirtations in such a crude way too? Will you actually answer my questions or keep moving the goalposts?

Its funny...you talk about pedos and your buddy loaf links to an article where the male writer wishes two teenaged boys would have a romantic relationship with each other. Is the hypocrisy lost on you?

Loafy my good friend. Your arguments are non sensical.... yes robin saved Bernard. Robin has saved Batman befor aswell. But when they go to fight the bad guys after. Batman always kicks more ass then robin. Bernard is shown to be as good of a fighter as robin in for the 4 pages of fighting we get. For once in your life, understand you are not as smart as you think you are, and every single point you've made in this entire arguement can be easily disproven lol 🤣

And there's nothing gay about two bros at 16 -17 lol, does the ass slapping on the high school football team after a good play, make them all gay.?

Also here is the biggest plot hole with Tim drake being bi......... how many times has been around dick Grayson, and not onetime in 30 years. Has he ever checked out " the best ass in the dc universe " if Tim drakes bisexual. It would be from growing up with a crush on ol nightwing lol........... but we never got that in 30 years.🤷‍♂️ So it's completely out of left field " I didn't know I was gay untill a guy told me I was on a date with him " is a bad plot lol🤣

Heres the difference liaf...Stephanie and Tim have a romantic relationship. Your writer you linked to on the other hand wishes two teenaged boys who are close friends would be romantically involved with each other. Is that vital difference lost in you? The reason you cant show me Tim questioning his sexuality is because he has never been written that way. But all it took was an activist writer to sh@t all over 30 years of a beloved character all for a socio/political agenda.

Prediction- bi Tim first issue will sell with speculator/curiosity buyers then sales will fall off the cliff. DC is about to learn a very expensive lesson.

Kate Kane was written as a lesbian. Readers knew the dynamics when they chose to buy the book. Her books don't sell well but what audience wants them they're there. DC doing this to characters we have been with for years is not the same and I can see sales taking a huge hit.

Batmanaholic - You're basing your ENTIRE argument on the fact that now that Tim might be bisexual, he's no longer tough and his skills have "evaporated" because of 2 pages (not 4, learn to count) of him kicking ass, untouched by the enemy. Also on your last comment, do you check our your brother's ass? Because Tim and Dick are brothers for all intents and purposes. Again, maybe talk to a gay or bi person before making these terribly incorrect assumptions.

I'm talking about the modern Jate Jane of course not the ine abandoned from the 40s and 50s.

I ll let you go back to your stalking now. Peace.

Ming - What a pile of garbage. Steph and Tim didn't have a relationship until a writer put them in one the same way Fitzmartin did with Tim and Bernard. The only difference is that one's a same sex relationship, and that you're clearly uncomfortable with it, which is hilarious bc it's a fictional character. And the goalpost moving is the least surprising thing about all of this. You asked for examples, I clearly provided them, and now that literally-from-DC example isn't good enough. Classic.

Ming, on his 5th consecutive reply to the same single comment: "STALKER" Dude, you wouldn't know irony if it walked up, introduced itself, then hit you over the head with a club.

Oh loafy you insufferable fool.... calling people stalkers while you literally come back to this post multiple times a day, to unsuccessfully troll a bunch of people who all think you are a complete and utter moron.

No I'm bailing my entire argument of evidence shown in this comic? Bernard has just as good of fight skills it looks like, the way this comic has the fight go lol? Did you not read it yourself? And also they are step brothers, come on everyone's been in pornhub. Stepsis/ step mom porn is literally half the new videos lol. So apperently yes people do check out their step siblings 🤷‍♂️

Basing not bailing *

Batmanaholic - You said verbatim "he's not the same character" based on a two page spread of a fight he wins without being touched. In no way does that show his skill being diminished in any way whatsoever. In fact, what the scene shows, is that Bernard is also competent in a fight and is more than just a "damsel in distress." But I wouldn't expect the guy who gets his understanding of relationships from stepsister/brother/mother porn to understand even the very basics of storytelling.

If no one gives a shit about me, WHY ARE YOU COMMENTING ON MY REVIEWS? Are you insane or something?

@Batmanaholic: I'm still leaving this guy comment here because you're engaged in a dialogue with him. Please end it sooner rather than later because he's getting on my nerves and I don't have to indulge him.

"One of the 4 white, male Robins" OMG, they're white AND males, can it get any worse than that? They're basically nazis, I mean, they've committed the atrocious sins of being white males, the supreme oppressors. Gtfo with that woke bullshit, you idiot!

Loafy get off your high horse you fucking asshole lol nobody cares what you think, and yes I'd say if he can't out fight a random high school kid. He's no longer the same character.

@ Merlyn The woke mob won't be happy until they emasculate & humiliate all white males.

Batmanaholic - Yep, exactly what I was expecting from an immature child trapped in an adult's body. A bunch of insults and no evidence to back up what you're saying. TSMack - Thanks for the laugh. Didn't realize that I, a white male, am part of a "woke mob" that's purpose is to "emasculate & humiliate" myself. It's also pretty telling (and by that I mean you're a bigot) that you think a comic character's sexuality being explored is humiliating to white men.

Ok, the idiot's gone. Enough is enough.

@TSMack: Yes, I know that, it's pretty visible. Every single white male is being pushed aside, humiliated or just completely changed to fit the new agenda. Batman has lost his money because, to quote Williamson, "money is the evilest thing in the world", Tim Drake is gay (in the Titans show the character is no longer white because, hey, too many damn white Robins), Hal Jordan is being pushed aside in the GL book because the madman Thorne hates him, Adam Strange is pretty much a villain.

I could continue with several other examples but there's obvious there's a pattern here, diminish the number and profile of white male heroes because they're basically the worst opressors ever, they're white, they're males, they're straight, some of them are even rich, in the woke mentality they're guilty of several sins.

Can anybody please delete this obvious troll account?

I'm terrible sorry for your mental illness and I'm sorry I haunt you so badly that you needed to make an account specifically to complain about me. :(

To continue on the line before, it appears DC will make Batman leave Gotham. Yet another shitty move on their part, I bet they'll made Jace Fox the next Batman. Another despicable white male that needed to go, who the hell cares Bruce Wayne is one of the most beloved heroes ever and a cultural icon? He's a white male, he's rich, enough of that, we hate those people! The cultural revolution is here and nothing will staind in its way. Superman's next, probably.

I don't know if I should block you or just wait for someone to delete your account. Ok, block it is.

Many thanks to the admin who deleted the troll's account and comments!

Merlyn I just read that Batman is leaving Gorham after Fear State. Guess who will fill that spot in 2022? You're right again the woke mob is doing everything it can to marginalize white males. I'm still fairly confident this will tank DC sales of the main bat books. If course there will be a spike initially from speculators and the curious. I expect that to evaporate like all the other Tim Fox titles have.

Unfortunately for Tim Drake Ribin I see the same fate.

I saw it coming from a mile away. Even though a lot of idiots were like "oh, but they can coexist, Jace will be Batman in FS and Bruce will still remain the Bat in current day". No, they couldn't. The mob is not settling for scraps, not anymore. They're all in. There is no coexistence for these characters, they'll either get totally replaced or radically changed to the point they barely resemble who they were before (as Tim Drake or Adam Strange). If people accept all this, nothing will change.

You me and fenix should change our names here to Nostradamus.

If current numbers for Tim Fox books are an indicator then DC will hsemoreage sales after the initial hype wears off.

I never bought the"dont be stupid Bruce isn't leaving Batman is a cash cow for DC" bleating either. You're right the scraps are no longer enough. Main characters have to be used to trojan horse the agenda because no one reads scraps. Un Tim Foxs case it's his "selfless" war on privilege. Riveting reading I'm sure.