Superman: Son of Kal-El #2

It’s unfortunate that people that love Superman will be put off by politics that represent what Superman has stood for since Action Comics #1’ but I agree that some will. I enjoyed your review.

If Superman existed in the real world those same people would 100% prefer the Homelander to him because they clearly don’t understand what he stands for.

Yup lol

Bom demais, só a gringaida fanática pra reclamar de um Superman que ajuda os outros mesmo

Horrible take on the issue. Thanks for sharing though...

You could explain why it's a bad take.

He should get in the sharing mood himself. I think I'm instituting a new policy that people who comment nothing of substance to my reviews will be blocked.

Now I don’t know about anyone else but I have other commitments in life so please forgive me if I’m not able to immediately respond to everyone who posts something on line. Now, I disagreed with your take on the book and I will try to keep it as simple as possible. There are many parts of this issue that are truly cringe worthy, from Jon driving a jeep to school while giving off carbon emissions only to lecture readers about melting ice caps through addressing his father

Your statement that Jon could be a better Superman than Clark by “doing more” and uniting Earth due to his human half, is misguided. If anything Jon would only serve to polarize the people of Earth. In the conversation on the moon, Taylor really demonstrates that he doesn’t understand the established character of Superman. For example Jor-El warned his son not to interfere only to guide humanity towards improvement. Which makes complete logical sense but Instead of imparting this wisdom to his

son the writer has him give the exact opposite advice. In every story where Superman has attempted to “do more” even with the best of intentions it has ended badly, so instead of trying to help his son avoid the mistakes he made, the writer thinks it would be cool if he makes Superman quite possibly the worst father ever. Instead of curbing his sons feeling of superiority Taylor has Superman agreeing with him and setting him up to fail as the “New Superman”.

Now, I could go on and on pointing out what is wrong with the way things are being written unless they are setting up Jon to eventually become a villain that his own father has to kill off, they are way off base. Anyways, you wanted my reasoning behind my statement there it is agree with it or disagree with it, do what you want.

I have no doubt that you are an extremely busy person. The "cringe" argument doesn't work. It's just a way to criticize something, without actually doing so, because your reasoning is bad. As for the perceived hypocrisy argument regarding Jon Kent's wheels, his hypocrisy is irrelevant. This argument is a non sequitur used to downplay how correct the other side is. It shows your bias that you're even using this argument. Someone's hypocrisy doesn't determine the veracity of what they say.

By your logic, any climate activist/scientist would be a hypocrite since you cannot function in society without doing something that leads to the emission of greenhouse gasses. This is a flawed argument that is usually regurgitated by people who haven't given anything but vaccines a second thought.

Jon Kent may or may not polarize the humanity, that is one of the ideas the book is working with. He *could* be a unifying force. The comic is showing if that's true. He has a better chance than an alien, like his dad. Which is why Jor-El warned his son not to interfere. People relate and humanize with people, not aliens. Jon, a half-human person, is less likely to cause xenophobic tensions to rise. I guess we'll see if it works out for Jon, that's the whole point.

This doesn't make your statement any better. Feels bad, man.

You mean the rumor they'll make him gay?

That would be a total joke. They've already did the "Tim Drake is gay now just because" out of nowhere in a distasteful way, after pulling the same thing with Alan Scott. Thing is, the rumor comes from unreliable sources but while I read this I got the same vibe, to be honest. And it's Tom Taylor, who is obsessed with this sort of stuff so I can definitely see that happening.

Either way it would be a bad decision for Jon, he already has enough problems as a character after Bendis, he doesn't need this as well.

Making him gay won't make the character worse, or ´´ruined`` is Alan ruined now? or Tim?

Well, you probably haven't seen the way fans took the Tim news. Yes, he is "ruined" from my point of view. And pulling something from a writers' ass does make the character worse. Iceman suffered from the same thing when Bendis decided all of a sudden he was gay. You're entirely free to eat up whatever these companies are doing in their desperation to stay relevant and make headlines. And others are free not to fall for marketing ploys.

It's marketing and a way to make them interesting again, of course, but they aren't wasted in the process. I haven't read the whole Iceman thing yet, but it seems they handled it in a nice way after the reveal,also who gives shit about Bobby Drake? He was a B list X-men and he's still B list.

And the way some people took the Tim news was stupid. Acting like his relationship with Steph was erased or some bullshit, it's still there, and they can get back together in the future, it's not a big deal. Plus, there's the whole bromance thing with Connor some people like to mention, so...

Changing the sexuality of a heteronormative character should not inherently invalidate that character in your eyes. What draws you towards a character is their personality. Sexuality can inform a personality, but that is not the case with Tim, Jon or Bobby.

And in an effort to pre-empt the obvious question of if it would be okay to do it the other way around, I would say no. The reason being is that heterosexuality is considered the norm in media and in society, and by taking away from the small group of non-hetero characters, you are erasing the tiny bit of normalization that this group of people gets.

As far as I'm concerned if a character being gay makes you dislike them, you are almost certainly homophobic. What makes it certain is that you are rejecting the idea before you see how it is executed. Therefore, it has nothing to do with how they did it (which you could validly criticize in some instances) but rather the act itself.

@Mout: Iceman was an original X-Men. A lot of people "gave a shit" about him. I don't know where you pulled the "he's a B list". He's an omega mutant, he's one of the oldest characters, he literally debuted in Uncanny X-Men #1. And the fact that you bring up the "bromance" with Conner as an argument for him being bi is, excuse me, disgusting.

It's the same idiotic argument people bring about Bucky and Steve, Thor and Loki etc. Flash news: Males CAN be friends without wanting to bang each other. Something progressives seemed to have forgotten but it's worth reminding. And no, the way people took the news wasn't stupid, it was normal. It was a normal reaction to a DC marketing ploy that disrepected 30 years of character history. Good for them.

Also, just for future reference, in the future I'm probably going to ignore your comments since I'm trying to stay as far away as possible from Psycamorean's rantings and he seems to follow you. Sorry but I just don't want all that crazy.

You know what, I'll unfollow Mout. Mout's commentary is quality and I wish there was more of that on this website, so anything to stymie that is unacceptable.

If you don't like it, you're something-phobic. That sentiment seems disingenuous. But I'm sure it makes conversing with people easier.

And why make Alan Scott gay? His son already is, so why not focus on him? Give him some great stories that would elevate his status as a hero, as a character. What story has Alan in store for him? Only one I bet. That he couldn't come out because 40' and 50' might not have been friendly for gay folk.

That's my problem with gay characters in entertainment these days. They seem to be mosty getting one type of story. One revolving around their sexuality. Either they discover it, explore it, have to hide it, get bully for it or embrace it. And changing established charachters gay sentenses them to the same fate, while established gay characters get sidelined.

@Merlyn, even though he's one of the originals, he war never that important. Never had with Claremont, Morrison or Whedon. And he became an Omega mutant in the early 2010's, I guess

*never had the spotlight with

@egon: That's exactly why I think Tim is "ruined". From now on he won't be detective Tim, he will be "queer Tim", most of his stories are going to be focused on that instead of what made the character beloved. And I'm sorry but that's of no interest to me. DC just didn't know what to do with him and this was the way to "make him interesting" again, if by "making interesting" one understands changing his sexuality out of nowhere.

@Mout: I'm sure you're smart enough to see the whole thing your buddy did here was totally unnecessary. I didn't ask him to unfollow you, or nothing of the sorts. All it was needed was some self-control from his part, to be able to ignore me just as I ignore his 34752424 reviews about MY reviews instead of the actual comics. Guess he couldn't pull that very difficult task. Regarding Iceman, I continue to disagree and I think you're underestimating his importance in the X-Men universe.

@egon The problem with that argument is that one, it's not true, and two relationships have been a part of superhero comics forever. What you're asking for is to remove that aspect from them entirely or else, you'll be annoyed at yet another comic about a gay character being gay. You don't have this issue when straight characters get into relationships, I assume.

I think prophesying about any of these characters' futures is a bad idea. Everytime a status quo or a character is changed, you get this fearmongering from the same crowd that they'll never be the same again. To act as though it's not politically motivated is to be disingenuous and cowardly. We just saw it with Batman. Wild conspiracies about how progressivism was going to replace or kill Bruce off so a black Batman can take his place. That was never happening.

That was never happening... except it DID just happen. Bruce is taken off from Gotham so Jace Fox can be Batman there. But when reality is constantly deformed so it can fit one's narrative, you can just reject the actual reality with no problem.

I'm really glad you decided to give up the drama and followed Mout back. I would also ask Mout to stop interfering with the discussions I have with other users since he considers the discussions he's having with me talks that "don't go nowhere". Why would you initiate a conversation with someone if that's your mindset about them? Thank you very much, Mout, I hope you'll respect my wish forward.

It's not happening though. The main Batman title is still a Bruce Wayne title. The theories about what would happen claimed that Bruce would no longer be in action and he would no longer have a book after Fear State. But not only is he still around, he still has the main title. He's a cashcow. Whatever ideological inclinations you think DC has, remember that capitalism trumps that.

I said Bruce will not be in Gotham while Jace Fox will. Didn't mention anything about the main title. Yes, the main title may be with Bruce but all the action is in Gotham. I get that this is DC's way of trying to have it both ways for money but having Batman removed from Gotham so Jace can fill that spot is kind of in line with the theories. Same thing with Clark Kent, he's going off to Warworld so Jon can remain Superman here, I'm sure even you can see a pattern here.

Hal Jordan's been sidelined while Jo Mullein is getting the spotlight, Diana is in limbo, Arthur Curry has been dropped as Aquaman for Jackson Hyde. All in line for the FS JL lineup. I added this because I'm sure your next argument was that two cases are not a pattern. There are more than two cases.

@Psycamorean Well, Bruce seems to be getting butted from Gotham so that the Usurper may take his place. So I would argue that the "fearmongering" was justified. Now it looks the sights are set for Aquaman and possibly Wonder Woman. Was DC not paying attention when the All New All Different Marvel fiasco happened? And true, relationships were part of the comics, but with straight characters, after the relationship is somewhat established it doesn't seem to be the driving force behind the story an

behind the story anymore.

@Psycamorean What I'm trying to say is this. I want writers to leave the established characters as they are and use the existing ones or create new ones. Changing established characters drastically and out of nowhere will always get pushback. So will sudden replacement with a new character immediately after introduction (I'm looking at you Riri). I want writers to make effort, to try. Batman, Superman, Iron Man, Tim Drake did not become popular overnight. That took work and good stories.

@egon: I'm really sorry for this whole long thread, if I would've known this would happen, I wouldn't have asked that question.

@Merlyn I wasn't specifically referring to you when I talked about the other crowd. I was referring to a whole group. While you may have not said that, plenty of other people did. Including established comicsgaters and websites like Cosmic Book News. I recognize that Future State ideas are being mixed into the mainline continuity, but I don't see that as an issue when the older characters are still getting their books/pages. Bruce gets Batman, Clark gets Action.

I don't know much about what's going on with Aquaman. I don't pay attention to him. Wonder Woman will be back on Earth at the end of this extended first arc, IIRC. And Hal is in Green Lantern, but it's a very big ensemble cast, so he doesn't get a ton of pages.

@Psycamorean You want a prominent gay (or minority) superhero? Very well. Take Obsidian, Midnighter or Apollo and give them some good stories and build them to prominence over some time. You want Jackson Hyde to be the new Aquaman? Great. But don't do it in some six-issue mini. Make a long story out of it. An entire run. One in which he actually works with Arthur a lot and in the end, after much work and effort, earns the title.

@egon What kind of phrasing is "Usurper"? As someone who was reading Marvel through all that, I will say the ANAD era was overblown. But there are several stories where relationships are the driving force. I'm more of a Marvel guy, so it may be more prevalent with them. The problem with creating new characters is that when they do that, you still get people giving them shit for making the character gay. It's called SJW propaganda or whatever.

The problem you seem to have stems from the fact that the comics industry is tiny, and they aren't in a position to just create new characters that have an ample chance of making it on their own. They have to be tied, in some way, to the big characters. And making them any sort of minority, be it black or gay, or whatever, makes those chances even worse.

I didn't like how Riri was introduced and how she replaced Tony, either. I chalk that up to Bendis being Bendis though, and I don't make it about something more than it is, by implying it's a political agenda. But I will say, I've come around on the character with how she's been written since Bendis left. The only problem is, no one read that, so I look like a crazy person for liking her now.

@Merlyn What can you do? If you could predict the future I'm pretty sure you would not be wasting time here :)

I feel like there are examples of what you're describing, egon, and I feel like the response has still been the same, even in those cases.

@Psycamorean I think a great way to introduce new characters is to somewhat tie them to existing ones. I still can't understand why DC didn't put Yara in Wonder Woman alongside Diana after FS. It would give her a bigger spotlight rather than a solo series that gets no marketing. If Riri was working with Tony instead of flat out replacing him, I think the response would be much better.

I think we'll see more Wonder people interaction when Diana comes back to Earth. You've also got Nubia as leader of the Amazons right now. And to be fair, Riri worked with a version of Tony Stark, technically.

@Psycamorean As for Usurper. His book is literally titled "I Am Batman". Aside from Lucius (who became a bit of a dick recently), he has no ties to Bruce Wayne and Batman. So if he runs around calling himself Batman, he is usurping the name a bit. Some might even go as far as to call it a form of appropriation (wink, wink). That last bit is a bit of a joke. Then again people called for prison for someone for drawing a white dude in Black Panther costume, so maybe not a joke after all :)

@egon Usurper is just such an indignant, personal term to use for a comic book character. It portrays an anger that just sort of confuses me. As for your joke and explanation for it... Cool, I guess. I don't really know anything about some crazy assholes calling for someone's imprisonment for drawing a white dude in a Black Panther costume. That seems like a really fringe story you heard once and held onto.

@Psycamorean You seem to be doing a lot of assumptions about the other party in your responses.

Eh, I'm not sure about that.

All I got from this is that someone said that because Tim is bi, it's disrespectful. People here don't make any sense anymore. Go join VanSciver and stop reading these comics if you hate them so much. It's not like Jon is going to be Superman forever. We all know this. As well, people are reading way too much into their own agendas and reaching then they try to call Taylor xenophobic in reference to Clark saying it's not his planet. It's LITERALLY not. He's trying to teach his son a lesson.

Pretty much. It's just bad faith reductive interpretation of the material in order to bolster a political view. I don't think it's done intentionally. It's all gut reaction, without a ton of thinking.

People here should learn to read or at least try to understand others before commenting. Especially people who block others and then reply to comment on stuff the people they've blocked comment. It's really stupid on their part. Further commenting about "thinking" with these people is also pretty ridiculous.

Who?

I was not referring to you, obviously.

Anyone here with actual sense would realize how hypocritical Merlyn's last comment was. He never tries to understand anyone else's opinion unless they echo his own. It is also obvious that he doesn't try to understand the comics he claims to read because if he did, he'd realize how ignorant and objectively wrong his comments were in regards to this issue.

Who are you talking to? If you try to attack me have at least the guts to address me, not in a void. Otherwise it's pretty cowardly on your part. Either address me or just shut up since I don't really care what someone who blocked me from the first day he made his account has to say about me. There is nothing ignorant and objectively wrong in any of my comments and you obviously are illiterate since you don't know what "objective" actually means.

You've misread comics before, the one time that stuck in my head was with Green Lantern #3, where you thought Hal was Parallax despite it obviously being a flashback to that time period when he originally became Parallax.

Read more or at least try to understand the words you're using otherwise you're embarrassing yourself. And I do try to listen to others, the hundreds of comments on my posts show that, a lot of the time them being with people I strongly disagree with. I haven't seen the same from you. Oh wait, you just block people who disagree with you and then have the nerve to tell me about listening to other people's opinions. If that's not hypocritical, I don't know what is.

Not that this carries the conversation in a meaningful manner especially in regards to the content of the issue, I am allowed to block who I want, I just find it incredibly disappointing that Merlyn is so ever present on this site and does nothing but spew hate toward comic creators that he dislikes for their political views. If you want it to be, "like the good ole days" there are plenty of back catalogue trades being printed. Overall, this issue is solid and people are complaining for nothing.

It carries the conversation in a meaningful manner because you're a coward who wants to be respected and doesn't really deserve it. You've blocked me, cool, now shut up about it and stop inserting yourself in conversations just to gossip about me but without actually addressing me. Like a coward. And all that mumbo jumbo about "spewing hate" and "the good old days"... I'm sorry, but freedom of speech is still a thing here. You don't like it? No one is keeping you hostage here, you're free to go.

So to be clear, I'll keep reviewing this and people like you make me all the more eager to make sure I don't miss a single issue of this. Also, a lot of other people beside me have rated this pretty low. Guess not everyone here thinks like you do. Tough. Deal with it.

Well, just as you have the freedom of speech to say what you want, he has the freedom of speech to say what he wants in response. That being said, misinformation and bigotry shouldn't be allowed here because the normalization of that ends with more freedoms being repressed than those that remain.

Not as long as he's blocking me and clearly believes he shouldn't engage in dialogue with me. You can't do that and then comment about someone, not even having the guts to address him. And all that ranting from that last phrase has nothing to do with what we're talking, it's just more of your sick game of trying to taint others so you can make them shut up. It won't work.

If you block someone, you clearly don't want to engage in dialogue with them. Btw, I have you blocked and I don't want to engage in dialogue with you but this is the fourth time you're interjecting here and I feel like you can't take a hint so here I am. So what he's doing here is like seeing people talk, then coming in that group, cover the mouth of one of them talking while proceeding to bad-mouth him at the same time. That's the behavior of cowards.

I don't find it surprising you're defending him since you would defend Satan himself as long as you're parroting the same narrative.

You know what, maybe I am wrong sometimes. I do find myself wondering why am I entertaining someone whose reviews are more than half of the time about my reviews instead of the actual book or at times didn't even read/review the book but still finds the energy to complain about my opinions. That doesn't really sound very healthy and I don't think I'm doing you a favor by keep doing this. So, you know, feel free to keep commenting here, I'm gonna pass on keep answering.

Well, blocking someone doesn't make it so you can't see their comments on other threads. You can see mine, after all. So no, that analogy doesn't work. And you know what, Satan is a cool guy. He tried his best. I'm only defending him because you're being extremely uncharitable in an effort to ignore them while still ranting about them.

I read everything I review. And I only comment on your opinions after I've read the comic in question. I wait to release my reviews in bulk when I've read everything, and depending on the week, that can take some time. And my reviews, more often than not, have nothing to do with you. If you don't believe me, check them out.

I read the issue and found it fantastic. What a certain demographic seem to find "cringey" I found funny because I knew it would get under their skin while still drawing attention to how tremendously important the issues were. It's a new, progressive Superman for a new progressive world and I loved it.

Oh so you celebrate something that gets "under THEIR skin" but we're supposed to shut up about it because you're a progressive and you're right. That sounds pretty ok. For a crazy and shitty person. It fits.

"A new progressive world". Don't know if you realize just how brainwashed you sound. But of course, "they" are wrong, not you, no, sir. Well, screw your "progressive world", I don't give a crap about it and I'll review this book until crazy, shitty people like you can't take it anymore.

How about we quit with the insults and actually argue the ideas? We don't even have to do it here, we could do it on a separate platform like Discord.

I know Merlyn will say no, because he never actually argues ideas. He just gestures at perceived progressivism and degeneracy, and thinks that's enough. That's why his responses are very empty. So, he's rightfully afraid of actually being put on the spot.

K. I'll still answer the coward when he replies because cowards should be put in their place.

I don't know if Hex will do it. All I know is that I'd love to see the ideas actually argued instead of this shit.

facts.

facts.

I would love to know how old people in here are too

And I would like it if people who claim that talking with someone will not go anywhere would abstain in the future about interjecting in conversations with that someone. But what do you know, none of us will get what we want, apparently.

All I was trying to say that there was still an important message to be found even if it was a bit heavy handed in it's execution but I do believe it was the point, hence why I found it funny and it did clearly get under people's skin.

@Merlyn bro... I said that because we can talk about shit all day and you, me and psycamorean would still hold the same opinions, but I still think it's healthy to talk to people that don't agree with you on every level

with that being said, I really don't understand people on this site that keep reading shit they seem to hate. Especially if you are spending money on the issues.

"I'd rather have you as a friend here than being in discussions that don't go nowhere" See, I also think me and some people here will never see eye to eye. But I never go with the opinion that a conversation with someone will go nowhere. If I do that, I just block that person and never engage in any dialogue with him because if there is absolutely zero common ground, we'll just annoy each other.

Like Hex said, there are TONS of back catalogue that are way better than most of the stuff Marvel and DC are putting out now

I do try my best to find some common ground but if our positions are so polar opposite and the other tries to either "convert" me to his "ideology" or just shut me up, then and only then I give up and I block them. You, instead, begged for his friendship claiming all the same you would rather not continuing conversations with me because they go nowhere. So it seems only fair to ask that you stop trying to engage in dialogue with me since, by your own admission, it's fruitless.

This is all incredibly petty, and you should probably just move the discussion to why you continue to read comics you don't like.

Not your business.

what? no one is trying to brainwash you or something, but ok 👍👍👍👍

Well, we know you don't pay for your comics, so it's not an expense thing. It's just... You're wasting your time.

Again, not your business. You know, I was thinking about unblocking you since you did the same and do it as a courtesy but given all your behavior here I'm not really sure I want all this crazy on my reviews.

I couldn't care less about what you do. Insulting me poorly doesn't help either.

So the rumors were true after all.

Get ready for everything said here from all parties to be repeated ad nauseam because no one can get over the sexuality of fictional characters.

Called it, Tom Taylor's ideological leanings always get the best of him!

his editors and dc comics too

A very good review, please continue to add your reviews here, we could use people who actually put some input here and don't just blindly accept a writers' self-insert because they're fanboys.

Thanks for saying it, there is too much hypocrisy in this book and, as you say, xenophobia. I feel that in a need to make their comic book heroes look good, more now with all the terrible situation in Afghanistan they hang up this little act when they have left a lot of Cubans to drown. I'm not saying that a country has to take all responsibility for the citizens of other countries if it is not in their hands. The issue of refugees and the undocumented is very complicated.

Now we are talking that Clark is a citizen raised, nationalized and educated in the USA and it is not his land? !!! Sounds like an ungrateful bastard, to me.

He saidsentence. "I can help but I can't lead, except by example. Part of me feels its not my place." He was saying that part of him feels its not his place to lead the world towards progress. Not that he didn't feel the world was his place. You completely misunderstood that sentenece.

I'm confused, is "thoughts and prayers" not the standard response to school shootings from people like you? Where's the problem?

Yes, he should have left those people to die, it would have been quite heroic of him

Even I am tired sometimes of that cliche but bullets with "thoughts and prayers on them"? Really? Can't get any cringey than that.

@Mout: No, he should just bring boats of people from everywhere and attack cops when they try to registrate them, that would work wonders, I'm sure of it. Just ask Europe how well that worked for them or the South regions of America.

That "too soon..political" line is rather abrupt from Taylor. I see what you mean about his juvenile writing style. Its like a comedian with clunky material and bad timing.

I'm wondering if he ll go after the murder rate in Chicago Minneapolis Baltimore or New York the same way he goes after the soft target?

Shhh... we're not allowed to talk about politics unless it's to attack the right, the left must be protected at all costs. :))

But isn't Taylor and his fans on this thread being political? How do I interpret "people like you" if not a political jab?

I wonder if Taylor will have super fast grow superman head over to DCs Afghanistan soon. I have a feeling the bloodshed will make his 2A domestic fantasies pale in comparison. Maybe he can teach DCs taliban not to contribute to man made climate warming change?

Anyway...yeah I think your observation on the quality of Taylor's writing has some merit given the hamfisted attempt to go after 2A in this issue. And let's be honest that's what hes trying here.

I know y'all don't agree with the "politics" Taylor is trying to push, but I'm afraid this kind of story won't work for a very simple motive, DC is not meant to be grounded on the real world, Marvel operates that way, not DC.(There's the beautiful O'Neil/Adams run on GL and GA,but it's kinda of a isolated segment within DC history, I guess) He can establish this parallels with fake countries and politicians, and it may work, but in the long run, maybe it doesn't.

If Taylor serious and not just pushing agendas-the quality if his writing aside- hed be more interested in what is creating 5he phenomenon of adolescent boys snapping and going to their school or familiar place and attempting to kill as many people there as possible. But hes not interested in that hes more interested in mocking people that don't share his views. That's what the "too soon" quip is along with the "thoughts and prayers".

Taylor wants to make his statement but it's a shallow one. Tell me what the teenaged boys are snapping like that..that's the story no one wants to tell.

Its not even the politics anymore we know most of these writers and artists are leftist. It's the shallowness of their thought that grates the way it does. You want to really bite with your message? Tell me why this is happening not how it's happening.

I understand the point you're making mout. Because DC is in imaginary locales that mirror real ones the impact of the messaging is lost. There is some truth to that I think.

@Mout: So if you agree with us why are you upset about my review? I never said he shouldn't have rescued those people, I specifically critiqued the idea of attacking cops for wanting to process them. Which is, you know, what we do (or at least should do) in civilized world. Otherwise it would be utter chaos.

That's what I meant by "he decides he's above all of it". Jon lives in a country with asylum laws. Otherwise, he could always take them to his fortress or his Smallville farm but his attitude "I'm gonna drop here these people and don't you DARE do your jobs and process them" it's problematic, to say the least.

@Ming the school shooter guy came out of nowhere, and it doesn't seem to be the kind of thing to be explorered in later issues. I didn't even catch the meaning behind the bullets cause I don't live in the US so I have no ideia how people react to these mass shooting in general

@Merlyn it has a connection with last month issue, where he decided not to interfere when the authorities took that boy, so now he decided to do something about it. After seeing the refugees suffering, he interfered with the process to make sure they would be more comfortable and less frightened, that's the way I perceived it

And let's see if this refugee situation is explored later, it probably will be

See, that's my issue with Taylor overall. He attacks real, complex world issues with the thought-process of a 10 year old and then preaches about it. You just can't do that. Either you accept this is a complex issue you can't just preach about your side while you completely ignore the other side or maybe just stay off it. I mean, superhero stories aren't necessarily supposed to be about social issues but if you're going that road, I find it only fair to attack the gaps in his logic.

And that being said, as you well know, when refugees come in massive numbers, there are pretty hard to catch and if they manage to escape in civilian population, it's going to be that much harder to track them down. Hence the processing and the necessary handcuffs. Let's be real, this wasn't a George Floyd type of situation, this was standard proceeding. Jon doesn't get to tell the cops who were just following the law how to do their jobs.

As a real world example that's in the bees right now...there are a reported 100 individuals on terror watchlists among the several thousand Afghan refugees taken out of the country in the last week. Did they go to Qatar? Are they heading to the US? It's like Merlyn said you cant take a complex issue ho "nyah nyah" at people that don't agree with you wrap it ut in benevolence. If want to make the statement do it maturely and objectively.

Typo new not bees..sorry.

In my life I had read something so hypocritical, I had heard bad quotes from the series, but this leaves me speechless, I will not touch this series with a stick.

I am just wondering if you hate zTom Taylor so much why do you continue to read his books?

Well, keep wondering.

Your reviews contain enough story detail that I can tell you are reading them and not just hating on them, but why continue reading if you find them so bad

@Dave - Redcap here literally 'hate' reads at least half of DC's current output and if it's not drenched in garbage right wing politics, then he inserts said garbage politics into the review himself. He's so clueless he thinks that a single title a month featuring a black Batman is evidence that DC is going to completely replace Bruce because "money bad" or some stupid other shit, despite DC soliciting something like 20+ books with Bruce in November.

Oh look, it's the loser who made an account named specifically to complain about me until it got banned. Don't think I don't know that was you. And btw, moron, they DID just replace Bruce with Jace in Gotham, they just announced it yesterdat. How idiotic can you be? Do you want a prize or something? Because you've won it, dude, a long time ago. :))

*An account named "Merlyn is a (insert offense)", I forgot the specific insult.

How fucking stupid are you? Bruce is leaving Gotham for what will probably be an actual year, two at most, before he triumphantly returns. And guess what? You can still read about him because DC is soliciting literally 16 different titles in November that feature Bruce as Batman and 2 titles that features Jace. Oh no, the horror! You poor little babies just have it so hard nowadays only getting an average 4 new Bruce Batbooks per week. How will you survive?!?

I don't give a crap about Jace Fox. Are you such a moron that you can't get that through your thick skull? Batman NOT in Gotham just isn't very interesting for me. Just as Jace IN Gotham isn't. Do you understand now, you idiot, or should I try to draw?

I like, though, that you don't try to deny you were the one with the fake account. At least you're honest about it. But how big a loser you can be to make a troll account just because my opinions bother you? Do I mean that much to you? Am I living in your head rent-free? :))

Everyone has the right to criticize a comic, that is the purpose of this place. Closed minds are clear where they cry because someone does not do their will.

Merlyn -We both know EXACTLY why you’re just upset about a black man being Batman and it has nothing to do with Gotham. Also, some of the best Bat-books in the last 15 years took place outside of Gotham. Fantastic arcs of Morrison’s run did and that’s what Williamson appears to be drawing from with the Batsuit on the cover of 118. But continue to act like a child, by all means. rEnT FrEe. I mean, is there a dumber phrase in the English language? Don’t your 2 responses to me imply the same thing?

:))) No we don't, you're just the classic moron who when someone doesn't like what he likes he's all "oH, yOu rAcIsT". That's the best you can do. I can understand that, you're not very bright.

So you admit you were the one with the fake account, yes? Come on, be honest, man, it's not a shame. You're just that sick and hateful but that's ok, we're tolerant.

I mean you immediately picked up on what I was dropping concerning Jace so we both know I’m right. Keep calling me hateful while you throw petty insults out though.

I "picked up" on that because you're so, so, very dumb and predictable to the point that all your thought-process (and I use that word lightly) is one big, cliche. But why aren't you a big man and admit the thing about the fake account, though? Are you that much of a coward?

It seems like you picked up on it because it frequently happens to you. Maybe some self reflection is needed. If I was frequently coming off as racist and spouting racist replacement theory bs I’d probably take a minute to stop and think about what I was doing, but that would require thinking and I don’t think the last two brain cells pinging around your skull are capable of it. It’s also great how successful you are at derailing the conversation from your wafer thin criticisms of DC comics.

I point out your criticism s race related and you say “no ifs because Batman isn’t in Gotham.” I point out amazing stories have been told with Batman outside of Gotham and have no problem pointing out a ton of others outside of Morrison’s top notch run. And you have nothing but bull shit. Typical

No, it's still you being a predictable idiot who's screeching "rAcIsT" when he doesn't have arguments. Again, how about admitting to the making of the fake account? You're dodging that like a champ but people see it, trust me. You could just be a man and admit it. Come on, it's not that hard.

Self reflection lol, coming from the coward who can't even bring himself to admit he created a fake account specifically to target me. :))

Deflect, deflect, deflect. It’s all you do. Batman can be great and fun and well written outside of Gotham, especially when the character is in 16 titles a month. Sorry your racist ass can’t handle a black Batman being in 2 books, neither of which you have to torrent and read, bc we all know you don’t buy them. Thats the only logical conclusion to come to at this point. Must be hard going through life as fragile as glass.

No, actually YOU're the one deflecting. It's the 6th time I'm asking you to be a man for ONCE in your pitiful life and you think by ignoring me it goes away. It doesn't. Keeping your head in the sand doesn't change the fact you're not even man enough to own up to your actions. Did you read any Spidey comics? All that stuff about responsibility? Those lessons were wasted on you.

No, YOU're racist, you racist racist racist RACIST RACIST. See, I can play that stupid game too, it's not hard. Racist.

See, calling someone a racist only works when said person has proven to be a racist. You spouting off replacement theory because 2 of 18 Batman books have a black Batman is racist.

Never did that. You racist! Again, are you willing to admit your creating the fake account? Stop dancing aroung it, just admit it, you spineless racist coward!

It’s also HILARIOUS you think my life is pathetic based off an internet argument you’re losing because you’re racist. I’d you aren’t racist, then that meanS your entire argument is “Batman is bad because he isn’t gonna be in Gotham” which is so, so incredibly stupid.

It's not hard, just say it: "I, Loafy Trophy, am such a big loser that I bothered to creat a fake account specifically to attack Merlyn." You don't have to be sorry for it, I know you're not, just admit it.

Yep, that’s what it is. Either: 1. You’re racist (This one is the front runner) and Batman’s bad because of that. Or 2. You’re stupid and Batman is bad bc he isn’t in Gotham. When there are tons of great stories with Batman out of Gotham.

You're the racist one. Either admit right now that you created the fake account or I block you this instant. And unlike last time, I won't lift the block. If you're not man enough to admit to your mistake, I don't see the need to entertain you any longer. This is your ONE chance to admit it, otherwise if your next comment will not be that, it's direct block.

Silence it's not an option either because this was a fast back and forth so I know you've seen my comment. Admit what you did or it's direct block, forever.

Block me, you adult-sized toddler. That’s just a literal admission you have nothing to say and can’t actually argue your point. It’s EXACTLY what you did last time you got wrecked in an argument before posting like 5 responses claiming your victory while I couldn’t even respond. Great Batman stories can be told anywhere in the DC universe and you’re using some lame shit as cover for your racism.

Ok so Loafy Trophy had 7 chances to admit he made up a fake account specifically to target me but he's such a wuss that he didn't have the guts to admit it. Unfortunately that means he won't able to answer to any of my reviews. Sad thing but that's what happens when you're a pitiful coward.

Who are you talking to? Like 10 people read your reviews and most of them have more common sense than me to ignore you.

Ok, block forever. I still gave him last one chance but the coward couldn't admit it even then.

Those who have been complaining about supposed false accounts are the same ones who do them. We know that your stalker will not get over you and will continue to be traumatized by your point of view throwing a tremendous tantrum on the floor.

Ridley is a racial activist and DC made a point of having him write a black character as Batman. It's not sales driven because all Tim Fox titles drop out of the top 50 within a few issues while other batcentric titles remain in the top 50. The only conclusion I can draw from those facts is that the characters race is important enough to DC that it ignores its poor sales to keep pushing the writer and character. The readers have spoken they're not interested in Ridleys idea of Batman.

That may change when DC tries again to push Tim Fox as Batman after Fear State but right now he doesn't sell. So is load calling most batfans racists?

Speaking for myself as a Batman and DC fan I don't find Tim Foxs war on privilege very compelling and this "system" Ridley wants him to take on doesnt draw me in. I want Alfred back and I don't want Lucius to be a heel any longer.

Is that racist of me loaf?

Ming, LoafyTrophy is blocked, just so you know so he won't see your replies. He made not so long ago a fake account "Merlyn is a (insert insult)", I forgot the insult, with a Trump profile photo with his hair all messy because of the wind. The guy is sick for sure. I gave him several chances to admit his mistake but he refused, he couldn't do even that.

You know hes reading this Merlyn...lol.

All I'm asking is a fun and entertaining fucking book, I get tired from work, with my two kids, and people know how 7 years older are like, I just like to lay down and blow off some steam by reading my comics, without this political garbage, ain't enough that every channel I tune up there's this shit happening, it was supposed to be a break from reality, if DC keeps up with this agenda, I don't know if I'll stick around

That's my problem, too. These people don't understand that we want escapism. They're just so narcissistic that they think we actually want to hear their political opinions. We don't.

I'm not Clark Kent or something like this? hahaha i love your comment. I can't get that image out of my head and it's your fault. hahaha

@Fenix: Hahaha!

Sadly I don’t think I would be surprised if something like that actually happened