Mister Miracle #12

I love the open interpretation of the story. It can literally be broken down in so many ways by different readers. This has been a fantastic read and one I'm looking forward to revisiting many times over the next few years. Let's hurry up with that collected edition DC. Read Full Review

This series has been one of the most acclaimed mainstream comic series in modern history, and it's not hard to see why " Tom King and Mitch Gerads have taken the bones of the Fourth World mythology created by Jack Kirby and boiled it down to the horrors lurking underneath " a story of a boy sold into hell by his father to create a lasting peace that would never hold in the first place. Read Full Review

Mister Miracle is about family. It's about growing up. It's about finding purpose in a seemingly purposeless world. And it's about refusing to give in to the darkness when it threatens to swallow you whole. And how King, Gerads, and Cowles craft these themes under the auspices of a cosmic superhero framework is why it stands tall as one of the best comic stories of not just 2018, but the last decade. Read Full Review

This series has been nothing if not thought-provoking, soul-provoking, and life-provoking from beginning to end. A quintessential piece of comic literature that deserves study, respect, and admiration. Tom King and Mitch Gerads have produced a riddle that provokes more questions than answers as you seek to unravel it, and thats a lot harder than it looks. And yet, Mister Miracle stands as a nearly effortless-looking masterpiece of deep thought and feeling. Bravo, gentlemen. Bravo, Scott Free. Youve done Jack Kirby proud. Read Full Review

Fans are going to be split by Mister Miracle #12. It's definitely not what one would expect after the last issue, but it's better for all of that. Read Full Review

King and Gerads have created something that will be talked about for years. When collected in trade Mister Miracle will stand on the shelves proudly with other essential reading material. This is the best contemporary rendition of The New Gods. Even if you don't have any appreciation for the characters, this story has so much heart and care put into it. It is a deep and important read that challenges the medium as a whole. Issue 12 is a beautiful finale that could not be more perfectly executed. I will miss this book but, like all stories, I can always return. Mister Miracle can never escape this wonderful series, and he is better off for it. Read Full Review

MISTER MIRACLE #12 sticks the landing. Read Full Review

Mister Miracle has been an unprecedented experience. It plays with your expectations of how a superhero comic is supposed to work, and keeps you guessing. But it's also a loving tribute to Jack Kirby's original vision of the Fourth World. I eagerly await word of series' successor. Read Full Review

"Mister Miracle" #12 caps off an astonishing series that humanizes some of Jack Kirby's most popular DC creations. If there is one quibble, it's that this remarkable series is over. Read Full Review

If you're looking for a funny, challenging and unique story, this is your Huckleberry. Read Full Review

King and Gerads have done something amazing. They have created a series that is amazing to read and that will hold up if you re-read it again, looking for new things you might have missed the first time around. Read Full Review

The ending to this series was interesting and thought provoking which was exactly what I expected from this. It was never going to be an easy ending and they did it masterfully. I am upset that it has to end but I hope that something else is released to carry on the story. Read Full Review

Not the ending that I expected, or wanted, but fitting nonetheless. Mister Miracle (2017-) #12 is another captivating issue that, in addition to inspiring a yearning for more, will send readers back to Issue #1 for a second, complete, read-through. Read Full Review

Mister Miracle #12 doesn't provide many answers, but it gives the series the emotionally resonant finish it needed. Read Full Review

Even if I have qualms with some of the decisions made with the characters, this is a satisfying final issue with the same excellent art and lettering readers should expect from Gerads and Cowles. Read Full Review

It's a wonderfully done series that accomplishes a lot and is beautifully illustrated. It's a work that many will revisit in the coming years and discover new things about it and themselves. Read Full Review

It's safe to say they'll be taking some other not as known characters and making them household names by the end of the run. I think it's also safe to say we can put Tom King and Mitch Gerads up on the comic's creative tag team wall of MVPs. They way these creatives have worked together like a well-timed and tuned machine is nothing but majestic. The struck Nth Metal with this series, and I'm more than sure they'll be capable of doing it again for the next. Read Full Review

The finale of Mister Miracle provides plenty of resolution to readers but few answers. Read Full Review

Scott Free and Big Barda are taking their final bows, but Tom King, Mitch Gerads, and Clayton Cowles are the ones that truly deserve your applause. Read Full Review

This last issue doesn't offer any answers. Only possibilities. We're all dreaming the next world and we always will be. Mister Miracle still hears the voice whispering darkness into his ear, and he can still choose whether to listen to it or not. Scott is. Read Full Review

Its a credit to him, and to the wonderful artwork by Gerards, that despite this sense of disappointment I still enjoyed the final issue, and am committed to coming to a greater understanding of the entire series. Read Full Review

If you can wrap your head around the ending " and I'll admit, I had a little trouble " this is a quaint, enjoyable finale to this mind-boggling series. Read Full Review

A non-ending does seem like it was meant to be for this series, but it doesn't sting any less reading it.  After last issue's big reveal, this felt like a cop-out that I am sure every score above mine will praise as the best thing ever.  Whether anyone will believe me, I was hoping Tom King would nail this ending so that it didn't feel like I wasted over a year on this book.  While others will praise this as an all-time classic, I want my year back. Read Full Review

mynameisraj

Nov 14, 2018

King stuck the landing here! What can I say after a year? Is he in Heaven, Hell or in-between? Doesn't matter! What matters is what is real to Scott. Here he has a Jake, Barada and a daughter to be! Him choosing to not give Jake up made him stronger and better than High-Father ever claimed to be. I loved the bit where they mention all the Crisises and continuites of the current DC line and ask,"Why would you want to go back?" All in all, well done Tom King and Mitch Gerads!

Linkush

Nov 14, 2018

"AND THE FOURTH WORLD, MY CHILD, THAT IS MY WORLD. THE WORLD I SEE WHEN I CLOSE MY EYES... AND TRY TO ESCAPE" The story has been concluded and all I have to say is that it's A MASTERPIECE! King and Gerads managed to create something truly spectacular and I can't believe it's over. It makes me both happy and sad, It might be over but It was definitely a hell of a ride. Mister Miracle is easily one of the best comic books I have ever read and I can't wait for king and gerads's next work. A MUST READ!

mrDovydas

Nov 14, 2018

"Darkseid is." "Yeah, I know. But we are too." What did just happen here? It's not an easy read, but damn, this is everything the series has to offer. It's a masterpiece, and I thank King and Gerads for creating it. It is safe to say that this is already a modern classic.

Dorival

Nov 14, 2018

I'm sad and happy... Thank you Tom King and Gerads, I can't express how I'll miss Scott, Barda and Jake.

Grifter

Nov 14, 2018

Darkseid is... great.

Comix4fever

Nov 14, 2018

Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fjbI5C80a0

Br'er Lapin AKA 20-Ish Ceiln

Nov 14, 2018

I already miss it. Does anyone know what the successor teased at the end is? :V If they mean spiritual successor I hope it isn't Martian Manhunter. They have called that "Martian Manhunter by way of Mister Miracle" but I have far less faith in Steve Orlando.

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Linkush - Nov 14, 2018

I also think it's Martian Manhunter. The cover for it gives me mister miracle vibes.

DVE - Nov 14, 2018

I figure whatever the next King/Gerards series is. Sheriff of Babylon had a sequel teased a year and a half ago so maybe that.

Darkseid24 - Nov 14, 2018

There will be a Female Furies mini series, starting in February.

Samuel Almeida

Nov 14, 2018

Basically, what i understood was that Scott is actually traped by the antilife equation. Either that or hes actually dead. But ill take the first option. "If someone possesses absolute control over you - you're not really alive" For me it was a great finale. As i look back and think about the whole story i feel sad that it is ending. the wait for each issue was painful but also kind of pleasurable. I also feel so so so happy that it happened! I am not very good making reviews. I just write what i felt so i dont actually review the books in a technical way so i cant put in words the philosophy of it all but i can say that its there. Its not just a superhero book. It touches your heart and mind in good ways. It makes you think. So t hats it. It ended. This last year was better for me because of this series. I know i may be exaggerating but that is how i feel. It made me love Scott and Barda way more than i did before and the impact it had on me was the most positive one. Thank you Jack Kirby for creating these characters and thank you Tom King for giving us a new incredible installment for the Kings creations. AND lets hope that the Female Furies mini series can be just as good as Mister Miracle was! edit: just realized i didnt say anything about the Glorious art by Mitch Gerads! Its a feast for the eyes! His style is different from anyone elses. Hes just amazing. This series wouldnt be the same without him. He didnt received an Eisner Award for nothing! more

ohhaimark

Nov 17, 2018

THE GOOD: -I personally thought that this was a great conclusion to my personal favorite series in a long, long time. -The art was great. Need I say more? -I really liked the way this issue pulled of a non-ending while not entirely ignoring the previous issues or everybody's theories as to what was going on. -I also loved the way Scott was meeting all these dead people from the series and each one was telling him their theory as to what was going on. -Another thing I loved was how what they were saying didn't really matter to Scott. Some people are saying he gave up. I personally didn't see it that way. I saw it as that living with his wife and children is what made him happy more than anything, and I thought they executed that in a really beautiful way. -Yet another thing in the sea of things I loved about this issue. It didn't need to focus on some epic final battle or anything for it's ending. It focused instead on Scott and his family, which if not the central themes of the story (I thought it was), for me, it was the best. -I really liked that moment when Oberon talked about Rebirth's continuities and crises for two reasons. 1. It's a great bit of meta-commentary 2. It focuses on saying that the simplicity of whatever world Scott's in is why he stayed. Or why he made the right choice. Because all he wants is his wife and kid and that's all this world really is. -In fact I loved everything about Oberon's speech. Oberon has been dead for the previous issues and still is, but this one issue managed to capture he and Scott's relationship perfectly, while still being beautiful and relevant speech. -I haven't really read many Mister Miracle comics before this (except for Justice League International), so I didn't really know what the character was like a whole lot. From what I've heard King's Mister Miracle is nothing like the other iterations, but I never really cared, because I fell in love with the character at the beginning of the series, because it is a really well-written and compelling character. So when I think of Mister Miracle, I'm sorry but I think of this character from this series. Anyways, I thought that the characters were still great in this issue. -It was also just a great sending off of the series. Some people hated it, that's totally fine and understandable. I loved it. It felt really sad to see it go, but it did so in the perfect way. -I actually think the non-ending was the a great direction for this series to go. It essentially said that the whole mystery doesn't really matter, we're not ignoring it, but to Scott, it doesn't really matter, all that matters is he and his wife's happiness. -Loved that last page. I liked that it didn't end with a splash page or something, just a simple, phenomenally well-written, beautiful last page, that for me was infinitely more powerful than a splash page. -What is this successor? Female Furies? I don't know, but it's got me pumped. -All in all, I found this entire series to be more than just a comic. For me, it was a journey. -It was also one of my all time favorites. Just… putting that out there. THE BAD: -This is the first time in all my reviewing comics I found nothing wrong with an issue. I loved it. My reviews are as subjective as they get, so it doesn't mean there was nothing wrong, its just there was nothing that I personally didn't like about the issue. more

Batman Jones

Nov 17, 2018

Fantastic ending to an incredible series. I realize many will be disappointed the ending wasn't clearer. To me, for it to be clearer would have undermined the entire series. I'm reminded of the LOST finale and Evangeline Lilly's words about it, which sum up my feelings about the LOST finale, the Mister Miracle finale, and all art I love. She's more eloquent on the subject than I'd be so I'll quote her here. I can't explain my feelings about this issue any better than she does here: “Well, I’m going to have to go straight to the finale. Vote of confidence, who liked the finale? [The room broke out into cheers] Who did not like the finale? [about the same amount of cheers] About 50/50. So, for those of who you didn’t like it; you lov ed our show, because at the end of every week, it would leave you with an impossible and pressing mystery. It would force you to the water cooler, or the dinner table, asking each other the most difficult questions. Usually philosophical questions. Sometimes questions that touched on God or religion and reality, and what it means to be human. "And then, on the finale, you sat waiting with baited breath, thinking ‘they’re gonna give us the answer’…well, that’s what religions do. So if you want the answer to the great big question of life, go to church, go to God, find the answer, but art…art is supposed to, every time without fail, turn the question back onto you, and asks you to look at what you’re seeing, listen to what you’re hearing, experience it, and then look at it in the mirror of your soul, and figure out what it means to you. "And so there is no one interpretation of the finale of LOST, for as many people that are in this room, there are that many true, real, endings for LOST. "Because it’s just a reflection of who you are, and it’s the ultimate question being posed to you, not the ultimate answer being handed to you." - Evangeline Lilly more

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ohhaimark - Nov 17, 2018

Wow… what a great review. That quote applies so well to this issue and it was a really cool and accurate parallel to draw between Lost and Mister Miracle.

Jung BBoab

Feb 17, 2019

1화부터 12화까지 통틀어서 작성하겠다. 정말로 톰킹은 천재가 맞는거 같다. 진짜 마지막에 가서 미스터 미라클이 다크사이드다라는 그 반전이 정말로 뻥안치고 온몸에 소름이 돋았다. 사실 미스터미라클이 반생명방정식으로 만든 새로운 세계였다니.. 어찌보면 살짝 인샙션하고 소재가 비슷한것 같기도. 근데 도대체 이런분이 왜 어떻게 배트맨을 그따구로 어후;;;

Marquillos

Apr 12, 2021

One of the best comics I’ve read

Ryan

May 27, 2025

Definitely worth the hype

TheAdventurer

Nov 14, 2018

A high concept series ends in high concept fashion. Extraordinary series, with a melancholy finale.

bucswin611

Nov 14, 2018

The conclusion reminds me a lot of Catch-22 (maybe SPOILERS)...The only way to win for Scott is to let go. I thoroughly enjoyed this issue and this series, despite and maybe because of the lack of straightforward-ness. Extra time spent on the art, particularly coloring and backgrounds, made it well worth the wait!

bcgocubs

Nov 15, 2018

I don't think Tom King is capable of a normal ending... But it works here. We finally get the answer to why there are all those "Darkseid Is" panels and weird "glitches" throughout the story. And while the answer is predictable, it is still satisfying nonetheless and a unique ending to an expertly written story. What is also special is how Scott approaches the subject at the end of the story. It gives a truly different meaning to how Scott can "escape things".

Spacey Medicine

Jun 02, 2019

I dunno man don’t look at me.

Synthozoid

Nov 15, 2018

I read this a few times. Didn't like it on the first read because not much happens. After a couple more reads, I see it as an epilogue, not adding to the plot, but giving us a look at how the characters have been affected by the whole arc. I think this issue will make much more sense in a collected edition. Admittedly, this might just be me trying to find something to like in a so-so issue because I typically like this creative team. more

MKW69

Nov 14, 2018

I like it, but the implications are iffy to me. So cliffhanger from last issue is mostly ignored. And really the most logical interpretation is that Scot is chained by Anti Life Equasion, and everything that he has, his family and life is a lie made up in his mind. Okay. And he decides not to break chains and live his life inside the illusion, I kinda understood that he's troubled individual and he wanted to escape from reality, but this just feels wrong. It would be better as just a elseword story about alternate version of MM and BB and they're ending it would be great. But now, nothing is real, and of any other writer will use him, it will be a different Scot Free. And possibly that he is forced to leave this paradise dimension. It has so morally questionable ideas in it. more

AkR

Nov 15, 2018

It's a disappointed ending to this series simply because it feels as if they're trying to milk it for a sequel. I feel the twist didn't do the book a lot of favors and this ending issue has emotional weight but just doesn't stick The landing. It's not bad it's just let down.

I Review Comics

Nov 16, 2018

I read Mister Miracle #12 twice and still feel that I may be totally off base with my interpretation of the events that play out in this book. The comic doesn't really work as a solo issue but it is a fitting epilogue if you've followed the story so far. In issue #1 Scott Free (Mister Miracle) committed suicide. The rest of the series has been taking place in a sort of purgatory. This makes sense as the events of the series have always been presented as a series of free-flowing dreamlike tasks rather than Mister Miracle taking on any real threats or being in any real danger. At some point in the series, Scott decided that he would rather stay in Purgatory than to actually escape. He has found happiness that he was never actually abl e to achieve in life. He's married to Barda with a kid and another one on the way. Scott has also taken down all of the obstacles he faced in life. (Granny Goodness, Orion, Darkseid). Although he recognizes that this situation isn't real he's content with this life because in it he has everything he ever wanted. He knows he has taken a cowardly way out of his situation but he also knows he can escape whenever he wants to. Would you ever wake up from a dream if it felt real and you could shape the events within it? This is my interpretation of the issue. I may be totally wrong... This may be the hardest comic I've had to review on this site. As a single issue, I can't recommend it to anyone. This isn't because the issue/series is bad. The comic is open to interpretation and without any context, the story doesn't work and can be confusing. Mitches art is a great as ever. Every panel is clear and engaging. There is a single panel of Scott Smiling in a shower that stuck with me long after I finished the book. You'll always know what Scott's emotional state is at any given time. I also think that the washed-out colors while Scott and Barda are on earth hint to the reality of the situation. The writing and art direction blend well and add to the dreamlike atmosphere of the series. Tom King has made me fall in love with this character. Although the character's struggles are exponentially heightened, I still can relate to how he feels under the weight of expectation that everyone has placed on him. I don't blame him for skipping out. I also don't blame anyone else for calling Scott Free a selfish asshole. For this issue, I'm giving two Ratings. I don't think it's fair to base the series on an epilogue that exists to wrap up the story. It also doesn't feel its right to say this issue is perfect when it would be a terrible issue to start the series with. more

HAZOREM

Nov 19, 2018

can't say i am thoroughly pleased nor do i truly understand as to what the end game is for King and Gerards. i would have loved that continuation of the coming of Metron in the story. then again that was totally abandoned, for a follow up that was less exciting than the previous ones.

JBob

Nov 16, 2018

Honestly a little underwhelmed with the finalé here. I felt that what this issue "wrapped up" was stuff that I had been expecting as far back as issue 4 or 5. It really felt to me like they could have compressed a portion of it and stuffed it into the last issue, albeit expanded into a larger issue. Maybe not, but it felt like it took a long road to vaguely hint at what we had already knew. I compare that to the concluding issue of King's Vision run, which not only gave the fans a concluding conflict, it also gave us a quite unexpected twist/reveal with virginia having consumed the floating water vase of zenn la and the true nature of the Everbloom. By that comparison I am left wanting. Other than that I think the issues dialogue and th emes were as well stated as ever and Gerad's art has been of the highest quality throughout the entire run. more

Psycamorean

Nov 16, 2018

Meh. Hell adequately describes the monotony and boredom that comes with the life Scott Free has created for himself. This issue throws into whack all I've thought about this series previously. I really dislike the dialogue in this, but now that we know it's all fake and Scott wants this painfully dull life, I'm kind of stuck not knowing what to think. Does this dialogue feel any different from any other Tom King book? No. But this series has an excuse for it, whereas the other series don't. And since this series is basically just dialogue (yeah, big things happen, but they're always hampered down by boring home-talk), I don't know how to feel. The dialogue works for the series, but I know that it wasn't intentional. The themes are cool, and interesting, but this certainly isn't the best thing I've ever read, even on these themes. No matter what score I give it or however long I ramble indecisively about it, I'll never be satisfied that I got my feelings across. I definitely won't be picking this up in trade, and I wouldn't recommend it. But not because it fails to deliver, it's just not delivering something worth your time when I think back. more

Bigbooty

Dec 19, 2018

Don't like the loose ending.

MyNameIsNotJohn

Nov 23, 2018

I see what King was trying to do with this issue, and this series as a whole, but it ultimately wasn't what I was looking for. I get the point that the issue barely manages to make evident, and though it's semi-clear what Scott's state is now and what it was through the entire series, it's still difficult to ascertain, and for a book that has repeatedly been stated to fit in with and affect the main DC universe (with the likes of The Button, Doomsday Clock, etc)...I don't think it should be difficult to know. It should have been straightforward. It's great that the ending leaves room for interpretation because a lot of works do that, but I think King could have accomplished this in half the time. Overall this issue does not make me look bac k fondly at the series proper and I miss the excitement I had with issue #1, which I believe was the best issue of this series and, perhaps ironically, set impossible standards for the rest of the series going forward. King's other series I've read, Omega Men and The Vision, both had amazing endings and rank among my all time favorite comics. While both have the same deal as Mister Miracle in that their endings leave a lot of room for reflection and interpretation, there are ZERO filler issues in either series and the story is so easy to follow. Mister Miracle went from unique hit to overrated filler in my eyes, riding on the coattails of its praise and hype, and I'm disappointed to say that after the series was starting to climb back in quality. It just goes to show, you can't win them all. more

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Comix4fever - Nov 28, 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fjbI5C80a0

JBL Reviews

Nov 14, 2018

Not clear enough to me what even happened.

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Batman Jones - Nov 17, 2018

Evangeline Lilly on LOST finale (1/2): “Well, I’m going to have to go straight to the finale. Vote of confidence, who liked the finale? [The room broke out into cheers] Who did not like the finale? [about the same amount of cheers] About 50/50. So, for those of who you didn’t like it; you loved our show, because at the end of every week, it would leave you with an impossible and pressing mystery."

Batman Jones - Nov 17, 2018

"It would force you to the water cooler, or the dinner table, asking each other the most difficult questions. Usually philosophical questions. Sometimes questions that touched on God or religion and reality, and what it means to be human. "And then, on the finale, you sat waiting with baited breath, thinking ‘they’re gonna give us the answer’…well, that’s what religions do. So if you want the answer to the great big question of life, go to church, go to God, find the answer, but art…"

Batman Jones - Nov 17, 2018

"art is supposed to, every time without fail, turn the question back onto you, and asks you to look at what you’re seeing, listen to what you’re hearing, experience it, and then look at it in the mirror of your soul, and figure out what it means to you. "And so there is no one interpretation of the finale of LOST, for as many people that are in this room, there are that many true, real, endings for LOST."

Batman Jones - Nov 17, 2018

Took more than 2 comments. Here's the end of it: ""Because it’s just a reflection of who you are, and it’s the ultimate question being posed to you, not the ultimate answer being handed to you." - Evangeline Lilly

ohhaimark - Nov 17, 2018

Great point! I agree!

JBL Reviews - Nov 25, 2018

I understand what you’re saying, but I do not agree. That obviously works for some (my friend irl agrees with you). For me, it’s not what I’m looking for.

Batman Jones - Nov 25, 2018

All art is subjective so your experience of the series is as valid as mine is. I'm sorry you didn't enjoy it but hope you're finding lots of other comics to enjoy.

Batman Jones - Nov 25, 2018

On the other hand I found the series finale of Six Feet Under to be the most satisfying episode of TV I've ever watched. Though the series wrestled with great questions of life and death (didn't give answers to those) it gave answers to what happened to the characters. I won't say more for fear of spoiling in case someone hasn't watched and wants to. I love open endings but I can also appreciate the opposite when done so well.

Batman Jones - Nov 25, 2018

Difference is 6 Feet Under wasn't supernatural and wasn't mysterious. It was very grounded realism. MM was fantastical so it's not a great comparison. Still I hear you and I'd never tell someone they were wrong for their opinion on any piece of art.

Comix4fever - Nov 28, 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fjbI5C80a0

Kalaoui

Sep 13, 2023

This was not good. Yes it looks good concept wise with amazing art but it is not a good issue ending what was a very disappointing series. I get that Scott Free is stuck in his horrible reality and isn't able to escape so he commits suicide and moves to this Purgatory/Hell/Paradise depending on how this concept is viewed by the different characters. I can understand how King thinks he is making his character come to terms with his broken life and gets passed things but others will not interpret it this way. This is a very problematic view of things and I'm not sure why writers are continuously glamorizing suicide as a way out of any problems. He's happy to stay in his made up alternative reality by killing himself and creating a fantasy bec ause he truly couldn't escape his reality....this is a dangerous message. Rick Rememder did the same thing with Black Science in his finale and that was a disaster of an ending. And don't even get me started on the gods concept who are flawed to the level that they're merely humans masquerading around with horrible and damaged lives. That wasn't even his message but that should have been. I was a bit down on King after reading The Human Target but after Mr. Miracle, I think his best book is the Human Target. His problem is that the series' concepts do not need 12 issues to resolve so we drag and drag endlessly what could have a been a great focused 6 to 8 issues. But honestly if I knew what this series was about I would have never read it or spent money on it. Now I just don't want to pick up Strange Adventures because I imagine the drag somewhere in the middle will annoy the hell out me and the ending will not match the early hype. more

Darkseid24

Nov 14, 2018

Don’t understand the praises here. This run started good, but became dull pretty fast. SPOILER I am glad it’s just a dream/ alternative reality of Scott in the end, but nothing really was explained in the last issue. So Scott just keeps living in the fantasy world he created? Well doesn’t really fit his character. SPOILER END However I have a problem with the entire run, how the story was told. Many normally exciting things like Darkseid finally getting the Anti-life Equation was just mentioned, but never shown how he did it or the consequences. Everything was just shortly mentioned and therefore presented in the most boring way possible. This seems to be an issue of Kings writing, since he did the same thing in jokes vs. r iddles. Even so he did the characters way more justice than Johns did in Darkseid War ( Johns portrayed all of them as total different characters), some portrayals were just weird like Darkseid, who was acting like a total idiot. Or Granny caring for Scott Free. You could argue, that they were acting differently, because it wasn’t their real selves, but thats no excuse for portraying Darkseid as a retarded idiot. This story was a Mr Miracle story, but I am waiting for a year for the story to finally start. If the point was just to show, that Scott didn’t want to face reality, I don’t think 12 issues were needed for that. I expected more& more importantly an exciting plot. The good thing was, that Scott finally got rid of this terrible beard though. I am a big fan of the New Gods, so I don’t think it’s entirely bad, but it can’t keep up with Walter Simonson‘s, Kirby’s or Byrne‘s New Gods run. Overall I wish DC would do the New Gods more justice& stay closer to Kirby’s vision of the characters. I hope the Female Furies Mini series will be better. more

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REYNARD - Nov 14, 2018

How were the New Gods characterized different in Darkseid War

Darkseid24 - Nov 15, 2018

Everything about them were changed like for example Pre52 Metron invented the Moebius chair himself to gain knowledge. In DW he didn’t& everyone could become him, if they just sat on the chair. Or Darkseid‘s Omega Beams were different& he was also weaker& not very smart, what he usually is. Turning the heroes into New Gods itself didn’t make any sense. Darkseid also doesnt care about Kalibak or his children, maybe only about Orion. Darkseid‘s & Desaads relationship also was ruined.

Darkseid24 - Nov 15, 2018

Darkseid would never try to conquer anything without Desaads help. Guess that’s why he ended up so badly.

Comix4fever - Nov 28, 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fjbI5C80a0

Darkseid24 - Nov 29, 2018

Thank you for the link, I’ll check it out.

Talon1load

Nov 14, 2018

You gotta be shitting me with all these 10’s. This was a complete nonending and a complete waste of an issue. King fails to say anything of substance and leaves the entire story to remain up to the readers. DC, FIRE this writer!!!!!

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Comix4fever - Nov 14, 2018

I want DC to fire Scott Lobdell but they clearly win’t.

Comix4fever - Nov 14, 2018

I meant to say won’t.

Darkseid24 - Nov 14, 2018

I also don’t get all these 10 ratings, those readers must have never read a Pre52 New Gods story. It’s not entirely bad, what King did here, but I think the story didn’t need 12 issues to be told. I am still waiting for the story to start. I also want a new writer fit Batman, but it’s another 2 years with King. ( Wish it was Stephen King)

Talon1load - Nov 15, 2018

For his writing. He just took 12 issues to say nothing. The only thing I can think he said was that Mr Miracle killed himself in the first issue and by the end he’s realized that being dead is better than life. So he just glorified suicide? Yeah, fire him.

myconius - Nov 15, 2018

wow! so once again Tom King is trying to promote suicide? how edgy.

Talon1load - Nov 15, 2018

Lol. I got banned on Reddit for saying King needs to get back on his meds and get therapy because of this shit.

Samuel Almeida - Nov 15, 2018

Not his fault you didnt understand what you read. And your opinion is not a fact. You think Mister Miracle is bad but it really isnt

Talon1load - Nov 15, 2018

Lol. And that is your opinion. Not a fact. You think Mister Miracle is good but it really isn’t. See how that works? And you can’t say it’s because someone doesn’t understand it. It’s written so poorly that there are multiple interpretations out there.

Br'er Lapin AKA 20-Ish Ceiln - Nov 15, 2018

That's why the ending works. It references it being a hell or heaven of his own making, and it is saying whether or not this world he created matters if it is real or not, as long as it is real to him. Also, in issue 7 it kind of referenced the real answer. When his baby was born it made reference to Lump. Lump was a character in Jack Kirby's original run and volume 2 that was able to create false realities for Scott Free and Shilo Norman inside their own minds.

Br'er Lapin AKA 20-Ish Ceiln - Nov 15, 2018

I don't see anything wrong with a book being open-ended.

myconius - Nov 15, 2018

usually when DC leaves a series open-ended they typically will lead into another series.

Talon1load - Nov 15, 2018

Can you imagine a follow up series to this by King? Maybe that’s his plan to stay employed. Just keep writing open ended stories that require follow ups. The problem is that we don’t know why he killed himself and the entire series basically says that if life is too hard then kill yourself and you’ll be happier. I’m serious when I say King needs therapy.

myconius - Nov 15, 2018

the follow-up will start with the baby slitting it's wrists.

ohhaimark - Nov 15, 2018

This is entirely a personal pet peeve, but I don’t mind when people criticize a writer’s work, but when they start to criticize the person, I get really annoyed. I have never met Tom King and know near nothing about him except for how he writes, so I can’t start talking about his mental health or his employment in the comments section of a reviewing website.

ohhaimark - Nov 15, 2018

I feel like if I was a comic book writer, I would just have to accept if people dislike an issue I write or a series, that’s something I have to accept with the job. But if people started saying I needed therapy or needed to be fired, I would probably feel really hurt, especially since these are people who know squat about my personal life. Again this is just a personal annoyance I’ve always felt with this website that I’ve wanted to get out for a while.

Talon1load - Nov 15, 2018

So you don’t think someone who only seems to focus on depression and suicide should seek some sort of help? You know how people always talk about there being signs someone was thinking of doing something to themselves? I feel like his entire comic career is a huge sign. I don’t like his writing. Can’t stand it but I think this guy really does probably need to get some help.

Darkseid24 - Nov 15, 2018

I don’t mind a sad/ depressive ending, but I just expected more with Mr Miracle. That’s my problem with the story. This could take place after Barda was killed in Death of the New Gods, but that’s not canon anymore, so I don’t know. In New52/ Rebirth timeline Scott has no reason to run from reality. I also don’t think he killed himself, but as for me I always hoped he would escape that dream world or whatever and face reality. Scott is a broken character, but he also fights when he has to.

ohhaimark - Nov 15, 2018

I just don’t think that we should be discussing his mental health. That is for his family and friends to be concerned about. Maybe he has been seeking help since he wrote this issue, or maybe he just though it would have an impact on readers, and is totally stable. Also this is a reviewing website, not really the right place to be talking about stuff like this.

Talon1load - Nov 15, 2018

He puts it out there with his work. Feel free to not partake in it. He constantly talks about his panic attacks and his depression so if he puts it out for the public to see and then writes these shitty stories then both will be discussed. It’s reality. He doesn’t need you to save him.

Darkseid24 - Nov 15, 2018

I agree& actually I didn’t even know King has psychological issues. I care for the stories, not about his private life.

ohhaimark - Nov 15, 2018

So I've just read some of King's interviews, and first of all I admire his bravery for coming out with this information. My two closest friends have dealt with suicide depression nearly their entire lives, and believe me, it is not an easy thing for anyone to talk about. It also sounds like he has confessed his trauma to someone else, who helped him through it, not necessarily a therapist, but someone who would listen, which can be just as good.

ohhaimark - Nov 15, 2018

And I will feel free not to partake in it. King writing "shitty stories" is subjective. I will admit I did not know he had talked about his panic attack before, and now that I do I understand that there will be discussion on it and that he knows fully well there will be as well and I appreciate him for that. I agree, I do not need to save him. All I was saying to begin with was that it annoyed me personally and that's what I'll stick with.

myconius - Nov 15, 2018

personally i find the 'suicide' topic in comics to be tiresome. i didn't appreciate King having Bruce Wayne describing slitting his wrists when he was younger. it just made the character look weak. i've had to deal with too many people in my life that have either attempted it or succeeded in their mission for self imposed death. it's a horrible thing to experience. and i don't think it makes for very good superhero stories.

Darkseid24 - Nov 15, 2018

I have no problem with portraying characters suicidal, but it has to fit the character. It’s not the first time Bruce was portrayed as a troubled child, he also was in Hush/ Heart of Hush. And Batman isn’t like the other heroes, he is a psycho himself& often isn’t so much different from his villains. So I can live with him slitting his wrists as a child, I however don’t think this whining over Catwoman fits his character. Or that he basically killed KGBeast a few issues ago.

myconius - Nov 15, 2018

i just don't think any of it fits Bruce, who he is and what he stands for. if he was so quick to give up, there's no way he would have been able to endure all the training and disciplining he endured in his journey to becoming Batman. Bruce hasn't always been psychotic as some writer like to portray him as. driven, focused, determined, sometimes obstinate, yes. psychotic, i just don't think he'd be very effective at what he does if he weren't in his right mind.

Darkseid24 - Nov 15, 2018

I think he can be psychotic, but focused& determined at the same time. Villains like Scarecrow or Mr Freeze are also classified as insane, but are brilliant at the same time. I also don’t think cutting yourself is a sign for being weak or for giving up. Bruce tried to cope with his loss in some way& neither cutting nor becoming Batman was the right way.

myconius - Nov 15, 2018

i just felt the cutting was very unnecessary. ...almost like that lost chapter where Bruce nearly spent half the family fortune at nudey bars getting lap dances.

Talon1load - Nov 16, 2018

Bruce wasn’t portrayed as psychotic for most of his existence. That’s been a fairly recent development that I don’t care for. I hate how they have to keep bringing the heroes down. They are supposed to represent an ideal and thats been taken away.

Br'er Lapin AKA 20-Ish Ceiln - Nov 16, 2018

He's never been psychotic. Just took the law into his own hands and dresses as a bat, as a result of his parents being killed in front of him and hoping it never can happen to another person. That's actually a bit psychotic. He must know it is an impossible task and he causes a lot of the problems that Gotham faces.

ohhaimark - Nov 16, 2018

I don’t mind if a writer makes a character psychotic as long as that character is still compelling. I don’t find Batman in the series compelling, however.

myconius - Nov 16, 2018

i just have a hard time believing that Batman could achieve all the remarkable things that he's done if he wad been psychotic.

myconius - Nov 16, 2018

*if he had been

ohhaimark - Nov 16, 2018

That’s a good point. King’s Batman is so disconnected from other iterations of the character I have a hard time believing its even the same character, in fact.

ohhaimark - Nov 16, 2018

I personally am able to forgive character changes if the story is still good and the characters are still compelling, however, King’s series fails on both counts about 80% of the time for me.

Darkseid24 - Nov 16, 2018

Batman is portrayed as psychotic at least since the 80ies/ 90ies, think of the story where a pregnant woman killed herself because he scared her. Or everything Lee ever told him or Bruce Wayne murderer. He is obsessed with Batman& he often beats his villains brutally up. I would call that psychotic.

myconius - Nov 16, 2018

the story you're referencing with the pregnant woman killing herself is 'Shaman' by Denny O'Neil. ...Bruce wasn't intentionally trying to scare her into committing suicide. he'd just saved her and Leslie Thompkins from a gang that had them at gunpoint. the pregnant woman mistook Batman for the dark voodoo spirit Chubala, coming to damn her soul for all eternity. when Batman tried to calm her down, she drove a knife into her own heart. he wasn't TRYING to make her killer herself.

myconius - Nov 16, 2018

how many Kung Fu movies did Bruce Lee or Jackie Chan beat hoards of gang members? I wouldn't call either one of them psychotic.

Talon1load - Nov 16, 2018

Saying he was psychotic for dressing like a bat and fighting crimes means that every superhero is a psycho. This isn’t real so there has to be some disconnect from reality. If he was psychotic he wouldn’t care about others and would t try to make Gotham’s better place. They’ve started making him seem crazy because it’s edgy and it’s become cool to tear heroes down.

Darkseid24 - Nov 16, 2018

I know, but point is Bruce didn’t stop to be Batman even so he scared a woman to death. He wants to scare people. His motivation is also revenge, not judt protecting people. And well most of his villains are send to Arkham because they dress up. Being psychotic is part of his character for a long time, it’s not just him being edgy.

ohhaimark - Nov 16, 2018

I think that a writer can turn Bruce into someone “psychotic” if its done well, think Sean Gordon Murphy at the beginning of White Knight. However in White Knight, he did have a reason (Alfred’s death) and got redemption.

ohhaimark - Nov 16, 2018

Idk... I can see it from both sides. I don’t really have a stance in this debate.

Darkseid24 - Nov 16, 2018

We are also talking about the guy, who teaches traumatized children to beat up murderers& risk their lives by being a criminal themselves. Bruce could help villains like Mr Freeze or Croc by founding them, but he doesn’t. He needs them too. That was often adressed. He never overcame his own trauma& chose violence, so being psychotic definitely is a part of his character. He isn’t called the dark knight for nothing.

ohhaimark - Nov 16, 2018

Then again, WK was an out of continuity series....

ohhaimark - Nov 16, 2018

I don’t really have a place here as I’m not a Batman fan, and I actually know a lot less than about Batman than most comic readers. I didn’t know about that Shaman story. I might have to read that now, do you recommend? I’m pretty put off by the old woman death thing, but if its executed well I won’t really care.

Talon1load - Nov 16, 2018

Batman does NOT fight crime out of revenge. THAT’S been addressed numerous times throughout his history. He does it so others don’t have to go through what he did. You really need to dig into Batman’s history more. He wants to scare criminals, not civilians. He’s gone out of his way to show children that they don’t have to be scared of him. He’s also tried to rehabilitate the criminals he fights many times throughout his career. I swear, it’s like you have gone out of your way to ignore the

Talon1load - Nov 16, 2018

Actual character

myconius - Nov 16, 2018

ohhaimark - the story 'Batman: Shaman' was issues #1-5 of the (1989) Legends of the Dark Knight series. i'd highly recommend that series! it’s one of my favorite runs and contained many gems. 'Gothic', 'Venom', 'Prey', 'Snow’, ‘Faces’, ‘Blades’…. you might want to check out ‘Blades’ (issues #32, 33, 34) as it had art by Tim Sale. it was in the LotDK Halloween specials where Sale first teamed up with Jeph Loeb. ...one of my favorites was 'Gothic' (Grant Morrison & Klaus Janson)

Darkseid24 - Nov 16, 2018

@Talon1load Ive read most of Batmans Comics& he also does it out of revenge. The way he is talking about criminals/ treating them is obviously revenge driven. He himself said „I am vengeance, I am the night...“. Revenge is a big part of his character. That’s what separates him from other heroes. He also tortured his villains in some stories.There are many canon stories where he did. Never said he wants to take revenge on civilians, but he hurts them too. You are ignoring his bad sides.

ohhaimark - Nov 16, 2018

Oh... I always knew those three Loeb/Sale stories as Haunted Knight. I never read the original issues, only trade, but yes those stories are amazing. I’ll have to read more of those issues.

myconius - Nov 16, 2018

ohhaimark - thankfully most of those issues are pretty inexpensive on mycomicshop.com. some of the stories were collected in trade, but not a lot. i wish this site could update the page for that series, so i could go and start reviewing some of those old issues. ...agreed! i absolutely love Haunted Knight!

ohhaimark - Nov 16, 2018

Sweet! I’ll have to check ‘em out.

Comix4fever - Nov 28, 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fjbI5C80a0

ohhaimark - Nov 28, 2018

Thank you very much for this video. I just watched it and it is a great analysis of this series in general and the underlying themes. Many of the points brought up in this video are reasons I love this series so much.

Talon1load - Nov 28, 2018

Darkseid, you and Inhave very different interpretations of Batman. He avenges th innocent but he’s been very clear that he and those who work with him do this for justice and not for revenge.

Darkseid24 - Nov 28, 2018

Batmans justice sometimes means crippling a man, driving him insane. Revenge often plays a role when it comes to his character. He isn’t a hero like Superman, who just wants to help people.

Talon1load - Nov 28, 2018

He doesn’t cripple people for fun. He may cripple them while taking them down but he’s not doing it for shits and giggles. Where have you seen him do that?

Darkseid24 - Nov 28, 2018

I don’t think that matters. Point is, he did cripple people& he used violence. His questionable methods were adressed countless times in comics, so you can’t just ignore that just because you might not like it. And he was happy, when his villains suffered in a JL story.

Talon1load - Nov 28, 2018

Actually, it does matter. You said he was psychotic so his state of mind absolutely matters. Police officers and military members hurt people when they take them down too. That doesn’t make them psychotic. It’s a rough line of work and people get hurt. It has nothing to do with me not liking it and everything to do with my belief that you just don’t fundamentally understand the character.

Talon1load - Nov 28, 2018

I also just realized that we’re debating Batman on a Mr Miracle review. Lol.

Darkseid24 - Nov 28, 2018

Soldiers& police officers have rules. Only under certain conditions they are allowed to use force. Batman doesn’t have these rules. In Hush he would have killed Joker if Gordon hadn’t stopped him. It was out of revenge for Babs& Hush. In Hurt of Hush he electrocuted Scarecrow& kicked his head, even so Hush was the one he went after. In Dark Knight he brutally beat up Hatter& threw him in a lake. He only saved him due to Alfred. All of this is psychotic& insane. There is a limit justifying the

Darkseid24 - Nov 28, 2018

crimes Batman did. He affected Scarecrow many times with his own toxin& Batman enjoyed it to see him suffer, even mocked him. I do understand the character, because I see all sides of his, while you seem to ignore his dark& criminal side. And yeah we do lol Don’t know how we started.

myconius - Nov 29, 2018

Darkseid24 - the unstoppable force has met the unmovable object. let us ALL just agree to disagree and lets move on already.

Darkseid24 - Nov 29, 2018

Ok let’s agree to disagree.

myconius - Dec 1, 2018

🙂

D.C.

Nov 16, 2018

The kind of comic I'd give an annoying friend that wants to get into comics, so they stay away from comics. Almost as bad as his Batman... would be just as heinous a crime if Mister Miracle was a major Pop-culture icon, dear to our hearts as much as Bats is. The whole issue was a slog. Somehow managed to be worse than #11 where he fights Darkseid (bad guy) but comes off as just as much of an a$$hole. Why am I supposed to care about Mister Miracle in this? He's obviously a sad, and terrified (of Big Barda?) Little Boy. A submissive cuck of a hero, Mister Miracle, shortly after bitch-slapping his his elderly father (who requires a cane to stand), cuddles up on Barda's Massive thigh and has his hair lightly stroked like a pet instead of doin g anything even remotely resembling a superhero. Miracle, or more accurately: Tom King posing as Mister Miracle, has no class, Abuses the force ghosts of the elderly, swears like a 12 year old on Xbox Live and wraps it all up by coming home to his man, Big Barda, to receive his daily 5 minutes of minimal required physical stimulation; topped by a disgusting kiss and a year of your life, expecting a satisfying ending, pulled away, suddenly, like a carpet under your feet. more

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Comix4fever - Nov 18, 2018

You are very confusing reason for hating this.

Comix4fever - Nov 28, 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fjbI5C80a0

Hailey

Dec 04, 2024

Great series but don't know how to feel about the finale