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Sep 05, 2020
Loved it
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Sep 14, 2020
Tremendous issue!! I couldn’t have liked it more. Story 10/10 art 10/10
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Sep 01, 2020
Somehow, James Tynion's done it: he's made me very interested in Punchline and how her journey will differ from Harley's. He also succesfully shows how different and mature Harley has become (well, mature in her own way.)
Also, the Alfred hallucination sequences are a knife to the heart this time around, while still imbuing Bruce and the plot with hope.
Lastly, as usual, Jimenez's art is gorgeous especially when paired with Tomeu Morey's beautiful colours.
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Sep 01, 2020
The best issue Tynion's written out of this entire run. What a fantastic way to send off Alfred.
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Sep 03, 2020
This issue was amazing. The panels are so colourful yet beautifully contrasts of what is going on in it. Harley Quinn was badass. The whole interaction between Batman and Alfred, the voice in his head, was heartfelt.
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Sep 07, 2020
" y'know ? I feel sorry for you, kid you still don't see that match we're exactly the same. I thought MR. J had a heart. You think he has a brain. But he's not doing this for any reason you think he is. He dosen't believe in anything. He's a manipulator. He's manipulating you. "
- HARLEY QUINN
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Jul 17, 2023
Tynion does in a single issue what King tried to do in 85.
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Sep 01, 2020
Read it only for art
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Sep 02, 2020
Finally (maybe) the next issue will actually show the ''Joker War''. That scene with Alfred was very poignant and hopeful at the same time.Lets hope for the best going forward.
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Sep 02, 2020
It was a little cliche but it worked and had some good parts. The art really made me go with the 8 over the 7.5
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Sep 15, 2020
I'm real tired of these stories where Batman is out of commission for 2-4 issues and recovers when all seems lost. It's like an Anime series or something. And it seems Punchline isn't living up to DC's expectations as a second Harley. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for her to get her own ongoing. And now that she's out, let's keep her out of the rest of the story. As for Clown Hunter, well, I still don't know enough to figure him out. the Joker war has been pretty satisfactory so far, but when it's over I won't be asking for another big Bad guys take over the city mega story for a long time.
All-in-all, the last 2 issues have been the dull stretch of this story. Let's have some more excitement and Batman in action for the remainder.
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Aug 16, 2021
I get the criticisms but I still had fun.
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Sep 01, 2020
I already had problems with the pacing Joker War going into with, but its starting to clean that mess up in this issue. The downside is that its also reminding me more and more of the Bane run that happened only last year. I know you can't get another huge event that doesn't involve Gotham, but it does look like another rehash of the exact same event that King and countless writers before have done.
On the plus side though, IT WRITTEN SO FUCKING WELL. Wow, Tynion has really hit his stride as a writer. Batman yet again enters another damn hallucination, whats new. But the way he writes Batman AND Alfred was so damn well written. It was touching, it was realistic, it was motivating. Alfred is just that type of person, somebody who is not
afraid to say the truth, but will go to the ends of the Earth to push you to be the best you can be.
Once again, great art by Jimenez. Fun action with HQ and Punchline. It finally seems the pacing is ramping up. I was afraid this would turn out like Empyre where it drags too much, if it does, what a waste of an event. While rehashing some age old tropes and using a really cliche Batman direction that was just used 20 issues ago, Tynion and Jimenez handle it with exceptional skill.
The whole event just doesn't feel as impactful or as exciting as it ramps up to be. Tynion in my eyes takes too long to push a story forward, using way too many hallucinations in one arc. It reminds me alot of City of Bane, which suffered from the same problems. Although it reminds me of King's final Batman arc, it certainly is written better with more consistent moments. more
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Sep 09, 2020
What is going on with Riddler’s hair? Why is he born to suffer like this??
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Sep 23, 2020
alfred : )
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Sep 02, 2020
The Joker War itself hasn't been a good arc. Especially after "Three Jokers", this just feels empty and boring.
However, this issue itself is good. But that is mostly thanks to Tynion's writing who fixes the mess that was King's run. King entirely skipped what Alfred's death meant to Bruce and that annoyed me so much. Tynion has been fixing that for a while and this issue is a great conclusion to that. Bruce feels like Bruce again and Jimenez does great arc.
But, this storyline just isn't interesting. I don't care about Punchline. I don't care about the "Joker War". I just want it to end so that Tynion can create something new and exciting like his "Detective Comics" run few years back.
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Sep 02, 2020
Finally, the fast pace that should’ve began at the start of this run. This is probably the best issue out of the average story because stuff actually happens. I liked the different perspectives Tynion gave Harley and Punchline although I’m still not sold on the character. We get she’s Joker’s biggest fan and is delusional but what is there to like about her personality? Her arrogance? Also don’t think the Harley not being a real shrink comment needed to be made.
The exchange between Bruce and Alfred was okay, especially with Jimenez’s art and since Bruce never had closure in King’s run. But the fact that we had to wait for the 4th issue for things to pick up for Joker and Batman’s ‘final chapter’ is annoying.
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Sep 20, 2020
Batman is the type of character that can't really get over his parents since they function as the central drive for his character... but that doesn't mean it doesn't get tiresome.
This is probably Punchline's best appearance so far, which doesn't say much.
I actually enjoyed the lettering on the Batman cape, it was my favourite part. I don't know what that says about me.
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Sep 01, 2020
Finally something is coming, the last two books were insufferable, a lot of nonsense stuffing.
In this issue the only thing rescued was the moving dialogue with Alfred to react and empower himself, only that Tynion is counting exclusively Selina, Dick and Damian, as he always puts Tim and Jason aside. I think we know why it includes Selina, since the new Catwoman and Batman series will need to be dropped later.
This is the part that makes me desperate, we have gone through two completely filler books where absolutely nothing is reached, being able to summarize this whole situation in just one to take themes that various fans want to see, Tim is basically still in limbo with Young Justice And now we do not know if it will be Drake or R
obin, the beating that Bruce gave Jason unjustifiably we do not know if the man even deigned to realize that the supposed "greatest detective in the world" was a blank shot. Will your family be there because you love him? Dick isn't even him; Drake or Robin was refused his help when he offered it, but it is the easiest to bring back; Damian is murdering everything that moves and Batman is not even able to put a healthy limit on him by giving him a free pass as usual. Hood has no reason to go back to Batman or Bruce or the Batfamily with the continuous rejections not only from him, but from the family in general.
Unfortunately, they tend to get a lot of filler books that can be synthesized in more interesting things than looking for the sale of low-quality numbers.
Another character that follows me without catching me is the copy of Harley, Punchline, who is almost the same as Harley in his evil times, I can reaffirm there are moments where Harley was darker and better than her substitute.
Clownhunter on the other hand is a character that I am liking his beginnings, despite how little he has been used, he is much more interesting than Punchline.
But despite all the negative points, it seems that Tynion begins to raise the story, we will see in the next issue how he develops it. more
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Sep 02, 2020
Maybe it's me and my expectations coming into it, but this run so far isn't anything I thought it would be.
The story feels like an airplane in a holding pattern waiting to land. Waiting for the Air Traffic Controller to give the OK to get to the final issue.
I do like Punchline, although I wish her background and reason to 'exist' was different.
Art is fantastic.
Wish this run felt more like a War.
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Sep 01, 2020
Didn't we just see this arc less than a year ago. A villain takes control of Gotham. Bruce is beaten down and has hallucinations. He realizes he's stronger with allies than alone.
He yells "I'm Batman" and takes down people. The Alfred dreams are something new, but he'll be back. The funny thing is that the Justice League issue that also came out today also had a Batman is tied up and dreaming, this time due to Black Mercy. It tells pretty much the same story.
We get it. Seriously, how many times in the past few years has this same plot gone on. Batman talks about the vow he made to stop crime and prevent what happened to his parents not happen to anyone else? I will give Tynion points when Bruce says he's a failure. Given the Joker's
body count alone, he's failed big time, but he keeps getting back up to fail again. DC has to reconfigure Bats' motivation because this one has been worked to death.
Also, Harley and Punchline fight. Harley tells Punchy that Joker cares only for Batman, and that Punchline doesn't matter. Punchy takes that badly. I guess denial is more than a river in Egypt.
Catwoman wants to leave Penguin's hidden lair and promises to make Pengy a billionaire if she can leave. I guess this is where Tynion's promise that Bruce will no longer be super, super, super rich in the future comes into play. Catwoman gives his bucks away to villains. The problem with that is that lately Bats' villains have all been crazy. They don't care about money, they just want to indulge in their neuroses and kinks. So money is not the motivator.
All my past complaints still hold. Nothing really happens. The plot is a rehash of something that just happened. The fact that people just stand by and let Gotham burn because of "reasons" is a bridge too far when it comes to willing suspension of disbelief. The plot to steal Bruce's money is a rehash of several comics plots and "The Dark Knight Rises" and money doesn't work that way.
I can't wait for all of this to be retconned away. (Bruce will definately get his money back. It was like when Denny O'Neil took half of Superman's power away in the early 1970s. His power creeped back up because Superman being super powerful and Batman being super rich are foundational aspects of that characters. Just learn to deal with it, writers).
Or I could be wrong. At least the art was nice. more
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Sep 01, 2020
I feel like most of this issue is just a repackaging of what came before. We haven't had a face to face talk between Bruce and Dream Alfred, but almost everything he says is something that's already been explored in this run. And then with Punchline... She's just the worst. Her reason for being trash is not a good reason. She's just an insufferable twenty-something brat who buys into the Joker's bullshit. And while I'm sure there's a huge swath of edgelords who are just like that (and I would not be surprised at all if this was somehow a reaction to the Joker film), I don't empathize with that at all. At least Harley's reason for becoming the Joker's "main squeeze" is not trying to be based in some sort of logic. I really hope things happen
in the next issue and it's not just *another* issue of Batman being broken. And no this isn't a "Batman can't be sad" argument. He can be sad all he wants, it's just that this arc is over halfway done and he's done almost nothing but react to whatever the Joker has planned and, when he's not doing that, he's having sad drug hallucinations. more
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Sep 01, 2020
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If you want to see Batman dreaming, Knightmare written by Tom King before is a much better choice, or the dream part of Scott Snyder's Batman story, or some earlier writers. However, almost no one can write dreaming as boring, lengthy and meaningless like the story of James Tynion IV! James Tynion IV is like rewriting Tom King's Knightmare, but removes the interesting and creative parts, and replaces it with clichés. I think he is simply a satire, he is using his own way to prove to DC: readers like to watch this kind of cliché, we should cut off all original works, such as HELLBLAZER, leaving only me Write this kind of thing.
In this story, Batman talks nonsense to Alfred endlessly in his dreams, seeming to prove to readers that Alfred is indeed an unnecessary character (but he is not). Who would have thought that a character would become so annoying after he died.
The other characters in the story did nothing. Hallie had another pointless fight with Joker's girlfriend, and Catwoman was just chatting with Penguin in a house. None of the characters in the entire comic are doing anything meaningful. more
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Sep 03, 2020
Unbearable.
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Sep 02, 2020
I bought this as well as the previous issue after a small discussion with Tynion. The art is really beautiful and so are the colors. But good art is not enough to make a comic good. The plot here is nonexistent. The plot in the whole arc is nonexistent. There is no risk, no sense of danger, of urgency. The Alfred dialogue was unnecessary and it lacked emotional depth. But the worst part of it. Oh my god. It's the Harley vs Punchline scenes. There's not a single woman in the planet who talks like this. It feels more like a teen drama parody. Perhaps it is intentional. But I doubt it. Perhaps this was rushed after the plans for 5G changed. Still with the lockdown there was plenty of time to change things, to edit the dialogue.
Tynion's run
suffers from the same problems of King's run. Good, excellent art trying to hype weak plot and weak dialogue. Tynion can do better. His non superhero work is proof of that.
Punchline is literally pushed so hard (which is understandable, she's a new character and the team wants her to stick for various reasons) but I already hate and have become bored of the character and believe she needs a break for a couple of months.
Same with Joker. There's too much Joker in everything. In conclusion, the art is 6.5/10 beautiful but Jimenez has a tendency to focus on 90's "exxxxtreme boobs duuude"
Plot is 0. Therefore 3. more
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Sep 01, 2020
I am devastated of Batman lying and being humiliated by Harley and punchline for 3 issues. Hopefully he finally gets up, but it is too late. Batman can be beaten by no name new lady who hasn’t even trained as the league of assassins. That’s awful. And art is so bad sometimes. I can’t read and get cringed anymore. Somebody stop this madness.
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