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nooo lol I respect your tastes, but I do not like Barbara for Jason, she is very old and the hot potato of the Bats. I loved Artemis for Jason, Rose is not so bad. But Barby mmmh. On the other hand, I agree with you, Jason is the least protected and most needy, Jason has been the one who has been most attached to Alfred.

This dude gets it.

yes he do it.

Oh I'm not saying that Jason and Babs would make a good couple at all.NO NO NO !!! I don't like Babs at all and don't want her with any of the Bats. I thought was totally gross when they paired her with Bruce. Gross on so many levels !!! I'm not even sure why you thought I wanted Jason with Babs. But no I'd like him with Artemis also

I felt exactly the same, if it hadn't been Alfred in the letter it would have been something beautiful. But Taylor I don't know why I'm exaggerating so much on that.

I don't know what it is about Taylor but I find his books awfully predictable and boring, I suppose his humor not connecting with me plays a part into it as well

I think the hero line is that Bruce would want dick to keep a low profile when he isn't in costume as it goes with this situation. And, I fully expect that Alfred left the money to Dick because of what was going on in the Bat-Family the last year, (he updates the will each year he says), knowing that Dick would distribute it out to everyone when appropriate

Yeah, the humor is super cringe and he insists with it, he doesn't let up.

And that was another Alfred mistake, as if being Dick was fair enough to watch for others besides Damian and Barbara. PLEASE

I'll be honest, if they hadn't overrated this number so much, I would have completely passed it by. Although it was going to be great. But is not.

Bruce managed to make a fool of himself before while not in costume whenever the situation needed him to act. In a Clark Kent-stumbling-on-to-save-people kind of way. So the whole line would make sense if Bruce would be the type of hero who cares so much about his identity that he would turn a blind eye to injustice. But that's not who Bruce Wayne is, regardless of Taylor trying to send that message because he's obsessed with hating billionaires.

And as a Jason fan I know for a fact that Alfred would never leave him like that. He always understood Jason maybe more than anyone else, I don't buy the whole leaving everything to Dick and leaving Jason in the wind, even if Dick would take care of him. He wouldn't be that impersonal with someone who was like a son to him. There's a pattern here already, Taylor tries to diminish the well constructed Batfamily relationships between other characters just to make us feel like Nightwing in special.

The bat family has been a mess for years! Well constructed? Damian is a killer again, Batman almost beat Jason to death for what he did to the Penguin, They thought Tim Drake was dead and he came back and split! Even Barbara called them all out in that awful Castelucci Batman #50! In the last couple of weeks even - Damian is back with Talia and Jason looks like he killed a man! Give the book a chance! It's one issue and you are writing it off as Tom Taylor destroying the Bat Family!

As an aside, we have no idea what he left the rest of the family either

The relationships are well constructed, yes. Damian was never a saint to begin with, honestly I think he's been too restrained for a long time, even though I liked most of what Tomasi's done with him and I didn't like the direction DC took him in these last years, it's really not a huge stretch for a kid who's been indoctrinated that the world is his to rule. Batman didn't beat Jason to death, yeah he gave him a rough fight, but it's not like that's the first time that happened.

I can see you're a Taylor fan because you're way too defensive for this book. I should say, I loved his Injustice, he basically got me back into comics with his Injustice but ever since then his writing has gotten worse and worse to the point I'm wondering why I'm even trying. Cringey humor, endless rants about billionaires and capitalism, doesn't give one shit about previous character relationships in a very Bendis-like kind of way, way too many cheesy moments.

He does write action pretty well, I'll give him that. Btw, are you the guy from Weird Science DC Comics?

So you think that since rebirth, the barn family has been strong? And I said ALMOST beat him to death... and now he's killed a Joker and a guy last week! Batman won't even work or talk with Jason because he said he's a killer!

That was Bat Family obviously

He will work and talk with him in the next issues, he always does eventually, regardless of their ideological differences. He hates that Jason throws in his face all his shortcomings and stand for a lot of things Bruce despises but at the end of the day he's still his son, the son he failed and he'll always try to make up for it in the end.

I think that overall the Batfamily has some strong relationships forged in time. The relationship between Alfred and Jason is a solid one, it was before Rebirth and it's the same after. I think that Taylor dismissed that with this thing.

I know he will, but that's the Bat Family right now. Since Tom King barely acknowledged them, Ric Grayson couldn't remember them, etc, they ave been in disarray and hopefully, they come together in all the books. Maybe this is Alfred's move to get Dock to bring them together like he does. I don't know. Again, it's one issue and we don't know what the rest got... I asked Tom Taylor and we'll see what he says

After 2 years of ric grayson, I was happy to get this issue as a reset of all that shit and now Dick can move forward

Wooow stop, did I kill a Joker in canon? does that influence Urban Legends? because I didn't see that mentioned. Can you be kind enough to explain please @WeirdScienceJim

Jokingly though, Dick deserves it because he is the best Robin and my favorite character in comics

sorry Jason kill Joker?

That I understand, especially of you're a huge Grayson fan, these last few years have been torture. Still, in the process of trying to uplift fans like you, Taylor diminished the relationship between Alfred and the Batfamily and he diminished Bruce's character. And I pretty much hated that. I didn't particularly enjoyed the rest of the issue either. You've rated this with 10, I can see you're a fan, cool. I'm not, I'm sorry to say. Other than the art I didn't enjoy anything out of it.

hahaha and I'll tell you something @WeirdScienceJim is valid, it's your tastes. What is not valid are the neurotics who complain and insult that you do not have the same tastes. There are many of those.

@Winterisnear I suspected the same, nobody has clarified if the Bats know that it was a blank shot, it was not even an actual assassination attempt. Jason didn't deserve such treatment, but it was a good drama without a doubt.

I think that it was supposed to be an actual assassination attempt but DC wouldn't want to lose one of the best villains they have and so Lobdell had to come with that crappy and convoluted "explanation" with rubber bullets or whatever. I think that at the time Jason was angru enough to kill Penguin then and there but the again, that's a DC problem, they don't have the guts to kill major villains.

We already know how DC takes care of its villains, that is why the Joker is untouchable. So they as he does not have the slightest idea of how to carry the continuity. That is why I am not going to give this book or another undeserving book a chance, with the obvious exception of what involves Jason Todd. It would take a good story for me to invest in that DC comic, they really disappointed me.

Jason didn't kill the Penguin - Batman called him a Killer in urban legends and i don't think he means from before since they worked a lot of that out since

Tom Taylor did say the whole family recieved the same amount at the will reading, including Julia. Who knows if that's actually true or if we will ever see that at all!

@Winterisnear they already dealt with what he did with the Penguin and Oswald didn't die. The reason I said it's the Joker is Batman let Jason back into Gotham (with rubber bulllet rule), but now won't work or talk to him because he is a "killer". The timeline is still a bit wonly but it seems like it can only be the Joker. Zdarsky's Urban Legends story feels like a side-sequal to Three Jokers the way Babs is talking to him too. Who knows with Infinite Frontier timeline stuff though

to find out, maybe Chip will clear it up in his penultimate issue, we'll have to wait. It's great that Chip asked the story of Hood, I think after Lost Days (I love it) and Three Jokers is the best thing that has been written about Red Hood, obviously it is not perfect but it is very good, there are many repetitions in the dynamics Buce and Jason, you know some Remake.

yep - I would like a lot of things cleared up going forward with an open timeline, there may be some changes

Woow friend, you got going the polemic, what an interesting post you do.

It wasn't on purpose, I'm just tired of people who praise everything Taylor writes when in reality he really isn't that good.

I feel the same about Tom, but the one with the last name King!

Kind of agree with you there. There are a lot of King books that people just love and I find them very, very underrated. Including some that are pretty much universally acclaimed, like Mr. Miracle, which I for one didn't find that good. Still, every once in a while he manages to surprise me so I have to give him some credit. But one thing I like about King and I don't about Taylor is that he seems to try to elevate comics to another level while Taylor just revels in cringy internet humor level.

IMO, King tries to elevate HIMSELF to another lever and at this point, his books are all following a tired formula of mysteries without clues that end in ambiguous endings. It's actually funny because I like Tom Taylor because he writes comics to write comics while guys like King (IMO again) end up being embarased to just write a fun comic. Like they want to prove they are above the medium when they are at fancy dinner parties

But he has a ton of fans!

Agree again, he is very infatuated with himself and has a pretentious style that most of the times, if you strip it of his tired artifices, the essence of his writing is pretty thin. And yes, the payoff for a lot of his mysteries is rarely worthy. He's trying to be the next Alan Moore and in his mind he probably he thinks he is but that's not going to happen. And yes, his fans are very aggressive and condescending because he makes them feel smart even though most of the times they're not lol.

But that's something I think King and Taylor fans have in common. If you look at the reviews here, there's a guy who thinks he "triggers the Lobdell fans" and there's another one that joins him in his disturbed fantasy. And it's not my first dance with Taylor fans, something I've noticed it happens with King fans too. After all, the two Toms are pretty good friends at least on social media, why should their fans not be annoyingly similar?

Present company excluded of course, it doesn't matter that you obviously loved this and I hated it from the bottom of my heart, I have no problem with someone having different tastes than mine, as long as he has his arguments and he's not being insufferable about it.

Lol, I just noticed I said King's books are underrated, obviously I meant overrated. :))

For me I can stomach Tatlor better than I can Kings self applauding style. He succeeded in keeping me from buying nearly 85 issues of my favourite character. That's some seriously bad storytelling. Taylor's at least has something of a feel for Dick Grayson.

I still maintain that despite their financial woes DC can get quality writers on the flagship books and get readers excited again. But you must start thinking vision and stories not gimmicks and constant resets.

Having said that I've read some previews of what Marvel is planning with Reborn 2 and they may be about to step on a rake themselves.

@merlyn LOL! erase that whole conversation then - We Agree!

gimmicks are the worst, but resets can work--- if you don't keep messing up and needing to reset over and over! DC keeps messing up, so I have my fingers crossed

@merlyn you are do right that King tries to be Alan Moore but comes out as Alan Less!

@Weird Science Jim - HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Yeah! MUCH less!

I was hoping that would get a chuckle!

@Weird Science Jim - more than just a chuckle, good sir. ...that earned a well deserved Belly Laugh!! 😂😂😂

I think if they know how to handle a Damian heading towards being the head of the Devil and taking control of the league or starting the path to that destination it would be interesting. But it's DC and its cheap new talents.

And future State, it had some good parts and I drop everything, you don't really miss a thing.

Future didnt really interest a lot of DC readers and it's probably fair to say it was too late for DC to change this issue away from the FS storyline its hinting at. But from what I'm hearing Tynion has been given the Batverse to oversee and hes clearly not up to the task. Batman is my favorite character and I waited for Snyders final run then Kings abysmal run to end so that I could start enjoying the book again. DC gave it to Snyders protege who has not even a fraction of the talent to fix it

I agree with the Part that Damian running back to her mother was a little weak but Joshua still seems to write him amazingly in the "Robin” run. Still I disagree with that the Catwoman was pushed aside, she has her own book and the last writer - tom king run had so much Bat/Cat to the point that sometimes it was unbearable, and there is still a Batman/Catwoman book by Tom King so I am happy that Catwoman is not anywhere near batman for a while, so he can be more batman and properly interact with

King and his abuse of songs and flashbacks that he does not know how to use them correctly. If the man being able to do something interesting only gives headaches and leaves things unfinished.

Wow, you have no taste in artwork

Buddy, you have wayyyyy to high expectations. I bet your those type of people to pay $1,000 for a painting with random lines and call it "art”

Wow, insulting a person you don't know over thier simply stating their personnel opinion on something. Classy! I hope you feel better about yourself now.

I do actually, especially when met with people with trash taste

Well bullies do tend to lack in intellect so I'm not surprised that you do. Now go be a good little village idiot and troll someone else. BYE!!!

I believe that people have the right to their own opinion, if you liked me well for you and if not too. Personally, I am someone who likes comics and REAL BOOKS and there are really things that DC is doing that leaves much to be desired for my taste, but I do not go through life insulted who does not share my opinion.

The art was actually good, certainly better than the "shiny" trash in BatCat and the story was certainly better than Tom King's. That's how just some people like to draw, I don't know what you're complaining about.

Don't understand the idea that someone isn't allowed to like art because that's how "some people like to draw". Do you like everything you see, hear and taste because that's how some people like to do it? It's subjuctive and everybody can like or dislike whatever they want!

Thank you Weird Science Jim and DC Stuff

I think everyone forgets that Batman literally back handed Nightwing in Snyder's Court of Owls story arc. I don't remember anyone complaining then, lol.

I know. It's crazy

I didn't like it much either, but "The Hill" isn't new and in fact, the story is a contiuation of the one shot "Batman: The Hill" from 2000 that Shawn Martinbrough did art for with Christopher Priest writing. I wish this was better, but sadly, it's hard to follow and Jason is barely in it and the art was rough imo

Basically Bat and Cat did break up. He'll be with someone new before too long and they will be done for good. Or she will be made to do something stupid and he wont take her back. It will be the same BS we always get with them being a couple.