Nightwing #54

I cant see how Dick is a bigger ass here than when he slept with Barbara one day before he married Starfirewithout letting Barbs know. He is the one who got hurt here, therefore Barbara& the others have to accept it. I don’t think he is a jerk for just trying to live his life& find some peace.

Wow, I guess him getting hurt justifies how he willingly refuses to even acknowledge any effort the others make to try reach out and his irritating “just looking out for number one” outlook. He’s become Spider-Man before Uncle Ben died. And that was an individual so poorly suited for any storytelling they’ve spent 700 issues setting Peter Parker away from him. This is atrocious characterization and a step backwards in every way as far as character development goes.

It does, since it’s just a few months after his injury. The others want his old self back, but don’t share any understanding for him. That’s selfish.

It doesn’t justify him being an abject jackass. He’s acting as if he were just a carbon copy of Jason Todd. They want the old person back, clearly, they also seem willing to assist and rather than accept any help/support he decides to tell them off in complete hostility. There’s more to Dick Grayson than being a knock-off Red Hood, when he was someone who brought people together.

Ric isn’t like Jason at all. I don’t know why some people are claiming that. Ric doesnt kill& he is nowhere that agressive like Jason. It’s a trauma he had to go through, so yes his behavior is justified& also realistic. And he wasn’t even rude to Alfred. If he acted like Jason, he would go find KGBeast himself and kill him.

His appearance is basically the same as Jason Todd’s, he reacts with hostility towards everything and his attitude is the polar opposite of the Nightwing beloved by fans. It’s not realistic he has no desire to learn more about his past, as anyone who loses their memory does, it also does not make sense his values and morals are so different he feels indifference towards a group of random generic people taking up an identity he took up and developed.

This is piss-poor writing.

Ric didn’t act hostile towards his boss, even saved him, he didn’t act hostile to his new girlfriend, not to the new Nightwings& also not to Alfred. He even was friendly towards Scarecrow in his therapy session. He isn’t hostile at all& I begin to think you haven’t even read the comic, because you are so wrong. Read something about traumas, people don’t act the same after that. Jason doesn’t react so peaceful to trauma like Ric. You couldn’t be more wrong.

The writing is pretty good so far. It just shows a different side of Dick.

Although I don’t like the writing, I have to agree with Darkseid24 with a lot of their points. Nightwing isn’t really that hostile and it is very, very likely for someone who was shot through the head to act differently after that event.

I did not say he’s hostile towards the new people he’s met, it’s to anyone connected to his past. His being ok “nightwing’s” putting lives at risk by half-assing what he did is what’s against character. The writing is crap because the premise it’s built on is asinine. As far as Scarecrow goes, he thinks he’s just a therapist not a supervillain, one who is all for his new personality, of course he’d be on board. This is a big step backwards in characterization, whether you see it or not.

He wasn’t hostile at all towards Alfred& he is a person of his past. So basically he was just cold towards Barbara. Ric was watching the new Nightwing if he can do it alone. Point is, if he was acting like Jason as you claim, he would also have been agressive towards Scarecrow, because of being forced to do therapy. You don’t have to like it, but it’s just not true, what you claim here.

He was cold to the one person closest to him there is, not just a random individual; states he doesn’t care about Bruce and was dismissive to Alfred who practically raised him. Why would he be hostile to a mandated therapist, especially one who supports him? He states he doesn’t give a damn about the “nightwings” and that he’s glad he’s not them, because what they do is crazy. This runs contrary to what Dick Grayson stood for. It’s horseshit.

You apparently don’t get, that he isn’t Dick Grayson anymore, he doesn’t remember Bruce, Alfred or Barbara. He slept with Barbara& married Starfire the very next day. However he acted towards Barbara as Ric is nothing compared to how he acted as Dick Grayson. You are the one claiming he is all agressive like Jason. Jason would be hostile towards a theraoist. He forgot who he was, you can’t blame him for not wanting to beat up people anymore.

And you don’t get that what I consider the biggest insult towards the character of Dick Grayson is the entire premise this storyline is based on, that getting him shot and making him a generic douche is complete and utter stupidity. People are not in support of this change and “ric” grayson is trash.

Yeah, that wasn’t the best idea I agree, but that’s Kings fault not Lobdell‘s or Percy’s. The Nightwing writers are trying to make the best out of it& so far it’s great in my opinion. It won’t be permanent anyway.

It’s not even Tom Kings fault, it was probably an editorial mandate. Thing is when you are given shit to work with, no matter the effort you put into it, the result will still be shit. Power to you if you believe this is great, I think it’s the worst storyline in Nightwing in the 2000’s. Similar storylines to this have been done before with Batman’s Superheavy arc, Blood Brothers and Nite-Wing’s arc in Nightwing. They were far better stories.

King wrote it, so I would blame him. However this is far away from being shut. Nightwing is currently way better than Kings Batman run. Just compare Dicks awful dialogue with Bruce in Batman with his dialogue in Nightwing. In Nightwing he doesn’t sound dumb.

Again, I think it’s utter shit. So do most users since it barely passed a 5/10. I’ve found King’s Batman run to be considerably more enjoyable than this atrocious arc. What’s worse is this burning trash heap will apparently continue throughout Q1 of 2019. You’ll have plenty to “enjoy”, most collectively groan until things are rectified.

Everyone has different opinions, but many fans are just hating on it without even reading it. They don’t give it a chance because they hate the idea of Ric. Dialogue wise Nightwing is currently way better written than Kings Batman run. And I’m just here for Scarecrow, if he is done with Nightwing, I don’t know, if I continue to read Nightwing. Jokers Daugther is a very boring villain& it seems she is also there in March.

People can hate on it for the concept alone, because it’s asinine. I reiterate that if you are given shit to build off of no matter the amount of polish or gold spray paint you use, it will remain a turd. I abhor all “ric” represents and hope they decide to cut this train wreck short. Hell, new issue comes out tomorrow, no doubt as awful as they have been since #50.

Since I’m not a fan of Dick Grayson& just read this because of Scarecrow I can’t really blame you. I love it, because it’s the first time in years, that Scarecrow is more in character. When it comes to him especially #50 was great. His part is great so far. I don’t think Nightwing is as bad as you make it sound, but I also hate Darkseid War with a passion, so I can also understand your point. Be glad Dick isn’t transformed into a baby ;) I’m looking forward to tomorrow though.

I'm not a huge Dick Grayson fan either. Makes me wonder why I'm still reading this series. I do think Scarecrow is the best part of this new story as well.

LOL good to know I‘m not the only one :) Like I said I might stop reading Nightwing after Scarecrow‘ s story is over, depends on the ending I guess. I hope it doesn’t end that bad for him.

Many people are saying, that Ric is a dick, but I think he is way nicer as Ric as he ever was as Dick. And Scarecrow also is way nicer than he was in other comics.

I don't agree. And Scarecrow is "nice" if you can't see through his dialogue, but you should because it's obvious.

I guess I am the only one, but I like him as Ric so far. I can see through that, but he did worse things in other comics. That’s what I mean. It surprises me that he allowed Ric to go like that. If someone tells him he has no fears he normally sees that as a challenge. New52/ Rebirth Scarecrow is way nicer than his Pre52 Version.

Maybe he let Ric go because he was inspired to target Nightwing.

Yeah I guess so, but since he is the villain in the story, it’s not a good idea at all

He'll probably go after the Nightwang Brigade and that'll pull Ric into being Nightwing or at least getting involved. Which will eventually lead to him becoming Nightwing/Dick again

I don’t know, since after Scarecrow it’s Jokers Daugther& it’s still Ric. But I guess something similar as you said will happen. I am rooting for Scarecrow anyway here.

Oh yeah... I blocked the Joker's Daughter thing out lol.

Lol And I had hopes DC finally forgot about her. Wish Scarecrow would pose a little longer in Bludhaven as Dick’s psychiatrist& fight Dick again, when he is Nightwing again. Like that he realizes in 56 that it’s not the real Nightwing ( don’t know, if he knows that yet)& that’s why he goes back into hiding.

Maybe that could work, but the feeling I got with this issue is that Ric is done with therapy.

Yes I guess you are right. I think Scarecrow is going to beat the Nightwings& Ric is going to beat him in 56, probably in the worst way possible. It’s just two issues left with Scarecrow, so there is no time to built up a good fight with Dick.

I actually liked the art a lot. It reminded me of Dustin Nguyen‘s art& as for me the therapy session could have lasted a few issues more. It’s something we will probably never see so soon, it was funny in my opinion.

That's great you liked it. Unfortunately I disagree. All art is subjective however. I can really appreciate it when people find things they liked in an issue I didn't.

i've resigned myself to just trade waiting Nightwing.

@ohhaimark Same here, I respect your opinion, but I like to talk about it& see what other people think of it. @myconius You’re already up for a disappointment, because the trade of Nightwing will be 50-55, while 56 isn’t collected in the same Vol., if you look at Amazon. I mainly read it because of Scarecrow. It’s been years he got a story,, that also focuses on him. Hope they don’t mess this up.